Quoting: Eike

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: elmapulthey cant legaly completely drop support for something used by millions

Of course they can. What global law are you referring to that obligates a company to support well announced end-of-life products??

do you forgot that governments use windows?
they can make laws like that if they feel like they are being harmed by an company pratice.

Something doesn't become illegal because they could make a law, but only when they actually did.

And, my opinion: Microsoft is not doing the job that bad. Of course, Debian is doing it better, but I wouldn't expect that much from a profit oriented company.

microsoft used to save user files in a file format that only then and god knew how it worked inside, and it can be argueed that their apis are similiar.

if an program only work on an older version of windows, and an important government file only open on this program, and the company who made the program already gone bankrupt, how is the government suppose to open the file once this version of windows is no longer supported?

of course i understand that no company should be forced to support an old api/abi forever, but an government can stabilish an reasonable minimum time as an law, especially when the company who made the software has an monopoly (as microsoft have) have and the government got traped into using it back in the days governments knew nothing about computers to build their it infrastrcuture.
imagine if an government couldnt control their own drones in an war because microsoft said so? or if they had to use an unsuported operating system?
an company margin for profit can really be prioritized over peoples lifes?

we are paying companies for whatever they want to charge with public money, and they got to decide for how long they plan to support one of their system after lock us inside?

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Quoting: scaine

Quoting: elmapulthey cant legaly completely drop support for something used by millions

Of course they can. What global law are you referring to that obligates a company to support well announced end-of-life products??

Maybe you meant "ethically". They can't ethically drop support. Which I can agree with, but of course, when has Microsoft ever considered the ethics of its actions?

(hint: never)

do you forgot that governments use windows?
they can make laws like that if they feel like they are being harmed by an company pratice.

i cant remember the name of any but im prety sure i had read about it somewhere, otherwise microsoft ethics at least where good enough to support xp for 14 years

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Quoting: elmapulsecond: WSL wouldnt work on windows 7, 8 and 8.1, people whould be forced to use windows 10/11 or linux (wich is unlikely they would)

I have to wonder why developers are expected to support operating systems that have reached end-of-life or will reach end-of-life in less than a year.

microsoft said that about xp, but they extended its support it lasted for 14 years or something.
they cant legaly completely drop support for something used by millions

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Quoting: dziadulewiczHow can this be? Why is it this way all the way nowadays? The game runs better on the get go via assets and tech made for Windows rather than what is meant for Linux?

Incompetence. For me personally, making a game that runs well on Windows via WSLg would be easier than providing a native Windows build too. I learned how to deal with Windows anyway, while they obviously don't care enough.

what a load of bs.

first off, this is a crowdsourced game, so they have to prioritize what most people who funded then wanted, not what they wanted, even if they were a bunch of linux "fanboys" they would have to treat windows as an first class citizen.

second: WSL wouldnt work on windows 7, 8 and 8.1, people whould be forced to use windows 10/11 or linux (wich is unlikely they would)

thirdy: an game may take years to develop, by the time they started the project we didnt had any descent/famous game engine for linux, we had godot but take a look at the ammount of add'ons for unity, the ammount of sucess stories and other factors and you will understand why they would guess that was an better option.

and finally as i said we dont have an stable api/abi, we dont have it now and we certainly didnt had it years ago when they started the development of this game.

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if linux had an stable api/abi that would be a problem.
but linux dont have one, every time someone say: "we have retrocompatibility now! its a solved problem" a few months pass and something break again.

then we hear this promisse again.
if we cant ensure that apps writen 5 years ago run fine we can be sure that what we write today wont run in 5 years.

its much easier to target windows then let wine/proton deal with keeping this api/abi compatible to whatever new api/abi linux currently have, you solve the problem once for everyone.

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Quoting: mphuZThe development of SteamOS and Big Picture is clearly not going according to plan.

A ton of patches after the release of Steam Deck suggests that it had to be postponed for at least another six months.

I am waiting for Valve to release SteamOS for PC - this is the next important step that will push Linux to popularity.

i dont know if that is a good idea.
one of the issues with steam machines is that, valve relased steamOS before they relased the machines, people started doing benchmarks on a lot of hardwares including hardware that didnt favor linux, didnt put it in a good light, people started to attack steamOS performance before steam machines even launched, that was one of the reasons why they didnt sell well, the argument of having an more efficient OS was debunked (i know it was not linux fault that thirdy party game and hardwre developers didnt support it properly but the end user dont care), not only the machines didnt sold well but most people installed windows on it.

i think valve should make sure steamOS have the best possible performance on deck and windows is the second class citizen on it, until it gain enough market to developers start supporting linux instead of relying on proton (or at least use vulkan for their games instead of dx12) then we can have an fair competition, then they can launch steamOS for everyone.
if steam deck sell as many units as at least an ps3, then its safe.

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"But we’ve seen people
connect Deck to a VHS player, and even a GBA camera."
amusing, lol

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Quoting: LinasWhile it technically may be true that they are continuing to do R&D on something that may eventually become Steam Deck 2, that can be many years away. This kind of stuff takes a long time to develop, and Valve tend to take their time.

What is more likely in the near future is that they will replace the existing models with a new generation of upgraded/tweaked hardware. I am talking about stuff like a different fan, or better buttons. Not a completely different device in a different form factor.

and oled

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Quoting: gradyvuckovicGood to see Valve taking this initiative. Never underestimate the value of localisation. About 95% of the world don't speak English as a first language, and 75% don't speak English at all.

Would be nice to see some more Linux distro websites translated as well. Hard to promote your distro to the majority of the planet if the majority of the planet can't read it.

For a quick sample, the following websites are only available in English as far as I can tell from looking at the homepage of their websites:
- https://linuxmint.com/ [External Link]
- https://manjaro.org/ [External Link]
- https://ubuntu.com/ [External Link]
- https://archlinux.org/ [External Link]
- https://www.centos.org/ [External Link]
- https://endeavouros.com/ [External Link]
- https://getsol.us/home/ [External Link]
- https://www.gentoo.org/ [External Link]

Shoutout to these websites for having numerous translations available on a visible dropdown on their homepage:
- https://getfedora.org/ [External Link]
- https://www.debian.org/ [External Link]
- https://www.opensuse.org/ [External Link]

not to mention that some programs arent even tested on other languages.
for example, here i have an directory called "Music" and another called "Música" and the same for documents, pictures, videos and so on, why? because i installed some program that didnt considered the possibility of my system not being in english and created those directories as result.
i have no idea what program did that, i think it was libre office snap or something like that, something that definitely had to be tested (it wasnt too niche of an application) but wanst .

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Quoting: constthe wii u showed them that they can't build another generation on gimmicks

i wouldnt call wii and ds gimmicks, sure wii didnt had many good games, but the idea was good and someone had to try, unfortunatelly most developers dont want to make games that only run in one platform, and not every game franchise work in this type of controler, not to mention the under powered hardware, but think about it, if motion sensors were invented before gamepads with buttons and joysticks, how the industry would be nowadays? most games would be made for motion, they would have nailed the motion controls, polished it, perfected it, they would know what work and what dont with this type of controls, and when someone made an controller with buttons and an stick, that would be the one seeing as gimiick.

im not saying "motion control is better", im just saying that part of the reason why it didnt worked was that the market for traditional games was much more mature than motion controls, not to mention it was easier to make traditional games, so we couldnt exploit the full potential of this, and... wii mote had a lot of problems.
i wouldnt call that gimmick.

ds on the other hand, had A LOT of great games that only made sense in the controls they were designed for+great traditional games too.

WiiU? well, it had mario maker and that was the only good use that i knew for it touch... oh and splatoon made a nice use of the gyro sensor, but it was indeed an gimmick console, it was more powerfull than an ps3 so technically it could have great looking games... but it was relased to late so that power wasnt a big deal anyway.

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