"An extra quirk / bug I've come across here has me a bit puzzled. My latest-gen (Series X) Xbox Controller works perfectly using a simple USB-C to USB-A adapter to plug it directly into the Deck but it does not work if the controller is plugged into my USB-C hub. However, my knock-off Amazon Xbox controller works with both — eh? Confusing and a little annoying to be sure."

i think the charger got confused...
it dont know if it should charge the controller or the steam deck...

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Quoting: Purple Library Guyyes i completely agree that gacha/lootbox, gamepasses, mtx, online drm, are BULLSHIT.
that is exactly the kind of experience that i recomend everyone to boycot.
that said, the moment that you use some thing as basis for comparission, is the moment i know you dont have anything better to compare with.

I don't think you are talking to someone who doesn't know what their taste is, I think you're talking to someone with quite definitely decided preferences, and those preferences do not include AAA games. So you just come off like someone telling someone their taste is shit and they should like what you like, and really that doesn't work.[/quote]nah, what i was trying to say is:
it dont matter if the game is AAA or indie, dont give up on a good game just because it dont support linux, you may not fund it, but play it.

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Quoting: Alm888Are you serious right now?

So, having a loot run in "Project Zomboid" or building an empire in "X4: Foundations" is somehow worthless, while shooting General Barkovs and G-12s at the "Death Road" or smashing Lenin statues while reading some weepy notes of "GULAG victims" in "Tomb Raider" is a worthwhile activity? Are you implying there are "True Gamers" playing only the best games, while my ex-boss (for example) playing some chess on his "Windows 98" PC at lunch breaks every day just wastes his time on garbage?

i dont know what kind of game YOU play, i do know what kind of game i played, i wasted tons of hours on shit games because they were "free" or stuff like that, i was so used to not have money to buy anything, that i start accepting any shit that was free as an alternative to not having anything to play, instead of pirating games like everyone else do.

i'm not saying YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, i'm saying i am and i want to make sure that no one else does what i did.
that is why i'm asking you to reflect upon your actions.
are you really playing an game because its fun? or are you locked F.O.M.O. due to some gimicks like daily login reward?
i havent played tombraider to know if its worth, but i played a lot of games games like DDKR64 , and competing in the time trial against my brother was one of the best experiences ever, that i forgot how good it was when i got used to play any shit, forgot to value my time.

Quoting: Alm888Please, come to your senses! We are discussing games, effectively a time wasters, no matter what appearance they have. There are no "must play" "cult classic" games, only those that are fun (to you) and those that are not. And "AAA" does not make a game fun. Expensive? Sure. Resource-demanding? Most probably (those GPUs won't sell themselves, after all). But fun? Nope.

I say it again: good riddance! Good bye to "lootboxes", "game passes", "microtransactions", "always-online DRM" and other exciting attributes of modern "AAA games".

yes i completely agree that gacha/lootbox, gamepasses, mtx, online drm, are BULLSHIT.
that is exactly the kind of experience that i recomend everyone to boycot.
that said, the moment that you use some thing as basis for comparission, is the moment i know you dont have anything better to compare with.

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Quoting: denyasisThanks! I'll try to check it out on my lunch break. I think it totally make sense that a porter would use a layer/translation tool/wrapper, especially if it is a business trying to maximize efficiency. I wasn't trying to imply the porters are lazy or anything, my apologies if it came off that way.

i has been a long time since i saw this video for the second/last time, so feel free to correct me if i made any mistake about its content, my memory isnt perfect after all.

in any case i didnt wanted to say that you implied that porters are lazy, i was just predicting that someone would come with that argument and replying it before it could ever happen to save time/headache for my future self.

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: KimyrielleI know, some people are still clinging to the "No Tux, No Bux" mantra, but in reality, we're unlikely to see another major AAA game on Linux native anytime soon.

And I'd say "Good riddance!".
NTNB FTW all the way! :happy:

i hope you at least play the games even if you have to pirate then, otherwise the only one losing will be yourself, and you will regreat(sic) it later looking back.

Rest assured, I have more than I will ever be able to finish. All Linux native. Most on GOG, some on itch.io or Humble. Had not to "pirate" a game in a long time (sinse 2012 at least). Oh, and I have exactly 0 (zero) "Feral games" on my Steal library because… I have no Steam library. :tongue:

its not about the ammount of games, but the time you spend playing then, its worth?
there are tons of free games for android that, while they are free, they dont worth our time.
time is the most important thing in life, money? you can won on lotery and get rich and never need to worry about it again, but time? you cant recover that, and you only realize when its too late.
yes, i'm talking about myself.

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Quoting: denyasis

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: denyasisI guess it's another win for Valve and Open source successes. I guess I feel slightly conflicted about it. While I appreciate Feral's work, I'm also glad that open source tools like Wine/Proton have finally taken over in a meaningful way.

I guess it's both a loss and a gain.

it is a loss.
on one hand, its good that an general purpose solution like wine/proton is better than porting, but that says more about the porting process and quality than about wine.
the ideal solution is linux geting enough marketshare to be threated like an first class citizen and open apis like vulkan becoming the standard.
its almost like if we were living the flash era vs html5 era, flash was multiplatform but had an crap support for linux, where html5 would be the "native" solution, using open standards.
while wine is gpl, directX isnt.

Is it? I'm under the impression most of these porting companies use wrappers, don't they? It's not like they all rewrote the binary and renderer into openGL. Maybe some did, but Valve has toGL, I forget what Aspry's wrapper was, etc. I'd bet some of these older ports looked a lot like a windows game under the hood, and the proprietary porting tech worked a lot like wine in some cases. Heck, there are even projects using DXVK as a wrapper for porting. I believe there are a number of Linux releases on GOG that are essentially wrapped with Wine.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, in a sense, we've put the power to "port" into our own hands, at a level simple users like me can leverage. And if a "native" port is just using its own wrappers and layers under the hood, is there really a huge moral difference there?

take a look at this conference, where the company who ported dying light to linux comment about the porting process:
https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2015/04/techland-presentation-on-porting-dying-light-to-linux/

TL:DR, it was impossible to rewrite the code writen by 200 employees with only 2~3 employees, especially considering that the game was still under development and as a result the code was changing all the time, so they had to seek for paterns and make an translator or layer or soomething akin to that.
but if they relied only on this layers, the performance would tank and no computer in the world would be able to play the game in an acceptable framerate even on minimal setings, so they had to manually optimize any bootnecks.

i think that is how you port anything, write an general purpose code converter, then look at the profilers to see what is kiling the performance and optimize by hand.

as for anyone who want to complain that 'this or that company' is lazy, then go port something, there are plenty of open source projects on github that are windows only.
in the mean time, try to turn this ports of you into an sustainable business model, and if you can, you can complain about feral all you want.

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Quoting: denyasis

Quoting: elmapul

Quoting: fagnerlnI love Feral and I respect a lot their work, they are amazing. But yeah, fragmentation IS a issue, and Linux do a little to support older softwares (which is comprehensive) while Windows has a system bloated to just works™.

As their ports doesn't runs in a container, sooner or later it will stop working.

good point, as an reminder, we CANT blame feral for only supporting one distro, its the fragmentation fault that things wich work on one might not work on others to begin with, not feral fault.

I'd expect the contract to port to be very specific with regards to what they are porting to, probably down to a specific distro/version. Imagine if you were told to port a game to "every Linux distro"; it would be impossible! Maybe some people here who do porting or freelance work have better insight, but it seems sensible to me to be very specific on the deliverables as a protection from client abuse/allegations.

android is a distro, imagine geting permission to port to android because you can port to ubuntu...
companies would never allow that

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Quoting: pbTo be honest, I expected Feral and Aspyr do less porting-to-Linux and more facilitating-Proton-compatibility after the market had changed, but I guess it just doesn't make sense from business perspective, or maybe publishers were not interested in such services. I am grateful for what they did, when they did it, and have no expectations beyond what I got.

they have the know how for sure, and it would be a better use of their know how to work on a general purpose solution than individual cases.
maybe it dont make sense for their bosses cause that will hurt the demand for the company , but it would make sense for their employees to work at proton.

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Quoting: ShmerlI think Feral are out of porting business, so lack of support is not surprising. What are they doing these days?

Android, iOS, switch ports (and a few mac/linux) there will always be a market for ports.
https://www.feralinteractive.com/br/upcoming/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Alm888

Quoting: KimyrielleI know, some people are still clinging to the "No Tux, No Bux" mantra, but in reality, we're unlikely to see another major AAA game on Linux native anytime soon.

And I'd say "Good riddance!".
NTNB FTW all the way! :happy:

i hope you at least play the games even if you have to pirate then, otherwise the only one losing will be yourself, and you will regreat it later looking back.

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