Quoting: wvstolzingPretty remarkable how a DRM-empire can 'market itself' as the bastion of software freedom.

The same way Apple convinced people using a Mac/iPhone makes you stand out of the crowd. Guess some people have no sense of irony :))).

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Quoting: EKRboiAs for the performance thing... I see reviewers talking about lower performance #'s than windows which is not a great thing, BUT when you're comparing 100+FPS in windows to 70-80FPS in Linux in reality it's a non issue. In most cases vsync should be turned on and if it gets 60FPS then that's what matters.. you're wasting power(computing and electrical) rendering frames you can't use. Unfortunately I don't think any of the reviews I've read have stated this, which sucks because the performance difference is not that big of a deal in the situations they have mentioned. In fact it's the one thing these "consoles" have over the "traditional" ones right now, seeing as how many of the PS4/XB1 games are sometimes even less than 1080p and only do 30fps.

This Steam Machine uses a 750ti - I'd say a 20 to 50% performance difference, which various game benchmarks show, make a world of difference. Sure, It's not that much of a problem if you're on a 970 or better. But people with mid range or worse hardware are going to feel it.

Quoting: LiamTheir ending notes aren't too good for us though, they suggest going for the Windows machine due to the games available. I hope that eventually we will see sites look at what we do have, and not what we don't.

Call me a "troll" but I've to ask: what would that be? The smaller library, the bad drivers or the botched performance. And I'm talking about Steam OS, as a gaming OS, specifically. We're not talking about Linux in general and it's other benefits. What is it about Steam OS that makes it a more desirable gaming platform than Windows or Mac OS at this moment?

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Quoting: GuestToo bad it wasn't FO4.

Everything I've read suggests to me that Fallout 4 is crap, at least if you're a fan of RPGs. It's less of a roleplaying game and more of an FPS with RPG elements. I'll stick with Wasteland 2 for my post-apocalyptic RPG fix.

The game is as buggy as any Bethesda game (which is very) but anybody who liked Fallout 3 and New Vegas will love 4 and vice versa. But if you already hated F3 and NV, I don't see why you had to wait for reviews to know you won't like it. It's a Bethesda game - if you're not into their games, whether it's a Fallout game or TES you should automatically know it's not for you.
And btw Fallout 4's main strength IS the role-playing. Maybe you can't tweak as many stats as in Wasteland but in terms of actual role-playing F4 is leaps and bounds ahead.

Actually, comparing Fallout 3/4 with New Vegas is like comparing Baldur's Gate with Diablo. I did enjoy all them, don't get me wrong, but the role-playing part in F3 or Diablo are quite limited.

EDIT: Well, maybe saying Diablo is exaggerating a bit but I guess we all get the idea.

I beg to disagree. The games just have too different feel. In F3 you're the Lone Wanderer and honestly - that' what you do. Explore, collect items, find interesting places in the world. Fallout 3 is a content light game but it more than makes up in atmosphere. Your roleplay is of somebody who crawled out of a hole in the ground and finds out what happened to the world above. New Vegas on the other hand is closer to Fallout 2 - tons of content and plot, to the point it actually felt crammed. I've only 12 hours in Fallout 4 but so far it feels closer to F3, which is a bonus for me.
Still, I stand by my point - they're all Bethesda games in style. FPS/TPS, you have up to one follower, open world, crafting, houses, simpler RPG system, blah-blah. You're either into it, or not :))).

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: GuestToo bad it wasn't FO4.

Everything I've read suggests to me that Fallout 4 is crap, at least if you're a fan of RPGs. It's less of a roleplaying game and more of an FPS with RPG elements. I'll stick with Wasteland 2 for my post-apocalyptic RPG fix.

The game is as buggy as any Bethesda game (which is very) but anybody who liked Fallout 3 and New Vegas will love 4 and vice versa. But if you already hated F3 and NV, I don't see why you had to wait for reviews to know you won't like it. It's a Bethesda game - if you're not into their games, whether it's a Fallout game or TES you should automatically know it's not for you.
And btw Fallout 4's main strength IS the role-playing. Maybe you can't tweak as many stats as in Wasteland but in terms of actual role-playing F4 is leaps and bounds ahead.

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Batman makes no difference - the game is just terrible performance wise. With the typical Linux drop of performance I don't see it working out in a good way. I know most of you don't follow the Windows gaming news, so to give you an idea: you probably heard the game was pulled from the stores for 5 months so that they could "fix" it. Well - fix it they did not, as it continues to be a stuttering and crashing mess for a large part of the players. Things are so bad a few weeks back WB announce they'll give full refund to anybody who owns the game regardless of how much time they've played it. In other words, till New Year you could technically buy it, play it and then get your money back if you really wanted to. And today they officially announced there will be no SLI/Crossfire support because they couldn't muti-GPU to perform properly. Basically they're throwing in the towel.

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Quoting: ShmerlStill waiting for functional DX11 support. I wonder what will happen first. DX11 support in Wine, or official Witcher 3 release for Linux?

I don't think this will happen at all. At this points it's obvious it's gone the way of Mad Max and Batman: Arkham Knight ports.

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The Gyro needs some getting used to, but I find it easier to snipe with it in Borderlands as opposed to fixing the crosshair with my thumb via the touchpad.

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Quoting: melkemindI think we are looking at it from the inside out rather than how the rest of the world sees it. To us, SteamOS launched with now "new" launch titles. To the rest of the world, it had 1500+ launch titles, more than any console ever had at launch. Having said that, Rocket League is the one game that should have been ready since they did promise it during preordering.

On an unrelated note, I'm starting to think the people who complained about Steam Controllers were just whining because they like to whine or were trolls. It didn't have as steep of a learning curve for me as it seems to have for many people. It just took me an hour or so to get the hang of it. My 8-year-old daughter picked it up and knew what to do with it almost instantly. Granted I'm not playing some competitive FPS online, but the controller wasn't really made for those anyway.

I think part of the problem was on the software side but by the time I got mine last Friday things seemed to have been mostly fixed. Besides the initial firmware update, I've already seen another one, which shows Valve are working hard. Also, a month after the early adopters, we have the benefit of existing controller profiles, including some official ones. The fact Fallout 4 was released with a day one official Steam Controller profile from Bethesda, speaks loads about how developers look at it. Granted the Bethesda profile was horrible, the effort is still appreciated :P.
On a more Linux related topic, playing Borderlands is a true pleasure as the game supports simultaneous gamepad/mouse input, which means you get the benefits from the controller layout and easy button navigation + the touch pad aiming.
Wonder if it would work in Wine though. A quick test in Skyrim proved what I already suspected - it's much better than with Xbox controller.

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Quoting: Segata SanshiroWell, there go my extremely unrealistic hopes of a Fallout 4 release :(

I was at least hoping for a surprise Witcher 3 or Mad Max announcement since those are two games that were originally slated for Linux.

I'm not really disappointed about Fallout 4, to be honest, because Bethesda games are traditionally hellaciously buggy, and Fallout 4 appears to be no exception. It also sounds like it has been dumbed down from Fallout 3, which was already dumbed down from the orginal Fallout games.

Yeah, yeah - the grapes are sour. Face it, people - the Fallout 4 release completely outshone Steam Machine day. People care about the Controller and the Link, but they don't care about a system that can't run Fallout 4, the Witcher III or GTA V. Plain and simple.

Wii U also don't run any of these games. I find Fallout kinda interesting, but is it killer game? Not really. Gaming is huge. All these games are big but they aren't whole gaming.

Said that, I will buy Witcher III at same minute they release it on SteamOS, as for Fallout 4 and GTA V - strangely, they don't get my heart going (Saint Row IV is another matter).

No, sorry, but you're completely wrong. The Wii U comparison is apples to oranges. Nintedo have a niche market that depends on specific types of games and brands. They are targeting a certain audience. The Wii has never been a direct competitor to the PS or Xbox (not even with the release of Kinect). While in the case of Steam OS or Linux, if you prefer, it's direct competition with the Windows gaming market, because the games are the same. There is not one commercial Linux game that is not on Windows, not one exclusive. There are thousands Windows games that are unavailable for Linux gamers.
And Fallout 4 not being a killer game? Dude, just... wow. Yesterday it peaked at 440k+ concurrent players topping even CS and Dota. Just because you aren't interested doesn't mean it's not an absolute smash hit. I don't like the COD series, but it doesn't change the fact they're a killer game series. This isn't about personal, subjective opinion. There are actual metrics to you can use to measure how important a game is - number of players, number of sales. Both of these parameters make GTA and Fallout complete hits.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Segata SanshiroWell, there go my extremely unrealistic hopes of a Fallout 4 release :(

I was at least hoping for a surprise Witcher 3 or Mad Max announcement since those are two games that were originally slated for Linux.

I'm not really disappointed about Fallout 4, to be honest, because Bethesda games are traditionally hellaciously buggy, and Fallout 4 appears to be no exception. It also sounds like it has been dumbed down from Fallout 3, which was already dumbed down from the orginal Fallout games.

Yeah, yeah - the grapes are sour. Face it, people - the Fallout 4 release completely outshone Steam Machine day. People care about the Controller and the Link, but they don't care about a system that can't run Fallout 4, the Witcher III or GTA V. Plain and simple.

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