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Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
5 April 2020 at 1:03 am UTC

DorritI really dislike the idea of snap/flatpak, I find it the opposite of the KISS principle, they're bloated and complicated, and maybe the answer to a question not asked, at least not in the desktop.
I like how this guy puts it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPzzcnVh__I
For sure. I had to remove all flatpak installs from a VM I had because it ate up too much space in root.

The move away from .deb / apt for Ubuntu is the dumbest idea I have heard.

At that point they may as well stop being based on Debian and just go their own way, which would lose a lot of their developers.

Last night I was trying to find how many actual developers Canonical pays, and happened upon their glassdoir review page. Apparently there are a lot of people who hate their CEO and thinks he sucks.

Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
4 April 2020 at 8:54 pm UTC

Samsai
slaapliedjeI do find it funny that snap is geared more toward commercial software than flatpak is. Which enabled someone to upload a 2048 game with an embedded bitcoin miner.
Is there honestly that big of a difference? Basically any software source with little to no curation will eventually get garbage on it. This has happened on AUR as well and I bet someone could sneak a Bitcoin miner on the Flathub as well.

To me Flatpak and Snap don't seem that different. They both aim to solve more or less the same problems, provide more or less the same mechanisms for solving those problems and to me they both seem annoying to use and I'm not fully convinced they actually solve a real problem.
The difference is indeed the curation. Flatpak seems to be much better at it (mostly supporting open source applications), AUR of course is going to have garbage in it. It almost the very definition of "it has a script that pulls in the latest.. plus whatever patches we want to add". Arch themselves warn not to use it or use it sparingly. AUR's purpose is much like the PPAs, to package things not officially done by the distribution.

Snap, Flatpak, etc all have their own share of issues. My point was that Canonical wanted their own so started Snap, instead of working with everyone else and supporting flatpak.

Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
4 April 2020 at 11:48 am UTC

Samsai
DanglingPointer
slaapliedjeInstall base != company size.

Yeah, they have a lot working on and riding on Openstack their cloud stuff. What they don't have is a lot of dedicated developers to work on their desktop system. And that's what we're talking about here, right?

Not many dedicated developers for desktop compared to who? IBM-Redhat? Suse? System76? gLinux?

If I'm not mistaken, Canonical employed desktop-developer numbers are only second to IBM-Redhat employeed numbers, with Suse 3rd.
Comparing the number of devs in individual companies isn't necessarily a good metric either. Ubuntu has historically tried to push a lot of their own things (Mir, Unity, Snap) and in those cases the development and maintenance burden falls mainly on their developers as opposed to collaborators in existing projects or collaborators from multiple projects working on a shared solution. Basically, Canonical devs get spread pretty thin working on multiple home-grown solutions. The more interesting thing to look at is the amount of redundant work that could be avoided by collaborating with existing solutions rather than doing everything yourself.

However, Ubuntu has gotten better about this. Unity is dead and buried and Mir became a Wayland compositor and is relatively irrelevant at the moment. As for Snap and Flatpak, I personally don't see an issue with the duplication there, since I don't think either project is super complicated and in critical need of developer resources.
I do find it funny that snap is geared more toward commercial software than flatpak is. Which enabled someone to upload a 2048 game with an embedded bitcoin miner.

Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
4 April 2020 at 11:45 am UTC Likes: 1

DanglingPointer
slaapliedjeInstall base != company size.

Yeah, they have a lot working on and riding on Openstack their cloud stuff. What they don't have is a lot of dedicated developers to work on their desktop system. And that's what we're talking about here, right?

Not many dedicated developers for desktop compared to who? IBM-Redhat? Suse? System76? gLinux?

If I'm not mistaken, Canonical employed desktop-developer numbers are only second to IBM-Redhat employeed numbers, with Suse 3rd.
Wait, what? They switched back to Gnome because they don't have the man power to work on Unity, which is just a gnome hack. Majority of Gnome developers work for Redhat. Most of Ubuntu comea straight from Debian.

Notice I say 'work for Redhat' vs 'develop desktop for Redhat' pretty sure Redhat is still sort of 'meh' toward the desktop, though they do have plenty of people that work on it, and work on Fedora. I just wish Fedora knew the word stable, as in just patch the versions that are there... it seems to pull a new kernel in once every three days.

Anyhow, any of the directions I see Canonical / Ubuntu going in makes me want to stay away for my personal use. Unfortunately for work purposes I will eventually have to deal with it, I am sure.

Drop 32 bit libs anyone? Drop deb packaging? That is where they would like to be.

The Atari VCS is in trouble again as Rob Wyatt sues Atari for lack of payment
4 April 2020 at 11:36 am UTC

OrkultusThe Final Fall of Atari is around the corner? Perhaps.
Anyone remember when Commodore USA came about and was trying to make C64 and Amiga like cases? That pretty much ended after the guy died.

It will probably take something like that, but I guess the big difference is that Atari actually made a lot of games in the past that were fantastic. The problem is, most of them were arcade games, and really they needed something more complex then and now to have stayed relevant to software.

I have always liked their hardware designs, but my favorites were the 2600, 8bit line and then the Amiga. All created by the same lead engineer, Jay Miner. Too bad he isn't still around to make something cool.

I wish Atari luck myself, if they can eventually pull something out, cool. If not? Meh.

The Atari VCS is in trouble again as Rob Wyatt sues Atari for lack of payment
4 April 2020 at 4:43 am UTC Likes: 3

freelunchwarlockAfter stuff like the Coleco Chameleon and Atari Gameband i'm suprised people still fall for these dubious nostalgia-bait crowdfunding projects. I don't get why people even wanted this thing in the first place, when you take away the fancy controller and case it's nothing more than an decently-specced Linux box with a bunch of pre-installed Atari-branded crap.
Decent specs, good form factor, Linux. Pretty much says it all. Nostalgia isn't really a thing about this, because anyone who knows anything about Atari knows this really isn't them in anything but name and what's left of their IP that they haven't sold off.

Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
4 April 2020 at 4:40 am UTC Likes: 1

DanglingPointer
slaapliedje... and pushing technologies that no one else supported, so they didn't get that much support, as Canonical is not that big...

I don't know how you're basing your conclusions as to them not getting much support and Canonical not being big?
https://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntu-linux-continues-to-rule-the-cloud/

Those are just two links which just refute what you are saying. There are many more links!
https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux

Here's an AWS stats tracker website tracking 1.2 million+ EC2 instances.
Ubuntu is the clear leader and most popular choice!
https://thecloudmarket.com/stats
Install base != company size.

Yeah, they have a lot working on and riding on Openstack their cloud stuff. What they don't have is a lot of dedicated developers to work on their desktop system. And that's what we're talking about here, right?

The Atari VCS is in trouble again as Rob Wyatt sues Atari for lack of payment
3 April 2020 at 11:44 pm UTC

CestusAt this point people should be happy if they get a Raspberry pi with emulation station tuned for atari 2600.
LMFAO
Ha, why would they be happy with that? I could build basically a 2600 out of an Arduino or something for less than the 200-300 bucks they were asking for these things.

There were many saying that is all this ever was anyhow. I actually think at least a small few of the people working on it sound like they are very much Atari fans and want this to happen. But then I also had heard that Robert Wyatt didn't actually do much while there, and most of the time he was supposed to have been working for them, he had broken something from a skydiving accident. So there is that. So much good nerd drama!

Ubuntu 20.04 has hit Beta (as have all the extra flavours) - help make it a release to remember
3 April 2020 at 11:37 pm UTC Likes: 3

I used to really like the idea of Ubuntu, as it's initial plan was Debian, with current Gnome and released every 6 months based on the latest Gnome release. Then they kept determining to be 'unique' in the huge Linux landscape, and pushing technologies that no one else supported, so they didn't get that much support, as Canonical is not that big.. Snap is one of those things, and it's direct competition with flatpak, which a lot of distributions/software has adopted, is what rubs me raw about it at this point. They seem to always do something good, to match it with two things not great.

So I'll stick with my Debian

The Atari VCS is in trouble again as Rob Wyatt sues Atari for lack of payment
3 April 2020 at 10:36 pm UTC

Purple Library GuyWhatever else you say about these guys, their project has provided a lot of entertainment. It may never yield a game box, but it's already given us an excellent soap opera.
The Atacobox thread over at AtariAge is quite possibly one of the most epic forum threads ever.

So at least they have given us that! A lot of their demo videos are belived to be running Windows, that would irritate me since they made such a big deal about it being Linux based.

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