Quoting: BoldosHe quit Linux to the world where things "just work"... and then identifies that world as Windows 10?
Really??! :huh:

Well , i think he meant something else.

On Windows 10, problem is mostly troubleshooting and swearing to weird Win10 quirks.

On Linux , problem is exploring new things. You had to deal with wine bugs , DRM problems , anti cheat problems etc.

Previous dev just considering gaming side. It is nearly plug&play for people. Install drivers and you're ready to go. No fuss.

Though that being said , as much as i care about games i also care using a sane and predictable system. So Linux works for my needs very well , especially with SteamPlay.

Anyway , i gotta go for playing some Witcher 3. I spent 45 hours already and it is wonderful.

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Quoting: Guestwell i would say people who use words content are spambots
because there all over the whole internet, content people, who only want to consume content, and people who want give content to people.
same and same words content and content on whole internet :)

so to me people who say things on forums like: OP said that they did great work and content is amazing, goodjob are spambots
everywhere i go there are spambots who write like that. are they humanes or content work bots?? why is everybody about content??
and first of all, what's content?? cuz im uneducated, please describe me meaning of word content, please.

Sorry but i think you have some problems.

If there isn't content that Liam and others put on that site , people won't be able to put their comments ( which oddly you describe it as a content )

This website is also a content if you look it that way ; that provides you to get your contents ( comments )

If you don't want to donate , cool. Don't do it.

But don't come up with comments like that. Just skip it.

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Quoting: pbWell, this update broke this new feature on SteamOS for me. Move or Die (which has been broken on SteamOS for a few months now) worked with SteamPlay yesterday but doesn't start today. :-(

You have to enable SteamPlay again.

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Quoting: PJthis tests make me think that John Carmack might have been right after all ;) ...

No , just look at one message above.

When ports done right ; native is preffered.

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Quoting: YoRHa-2B

Quoting: tuxintuxedoOn the other hand, people who work on Wine and components (or simply Proton) will never see that money while doing the work itself.

Well, it does give Valve more money to throw at the parties involved in Proton development.

If I remember right, Valve already hired the person behind DXVK, so it's not that they aren't getting compensated for their work.

You're talking with him already.

He is Philip Rebohle.

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Quoting: GuestWow, seems I've stirred things up with the fanboys. Cool down folks.

I've been one-click installing games through Steam, via wine, for years. With no troubles. Apparently I baked a wonderful cake quite some time ago.

"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".

Semi-support from Valve has already proven to not fully work anyway.

...and you know who you are, trying to pass an insult off as a joke is silly. Please drop it.

Now, it seems many have troubles that I've never seen. As in, I could do everything with a button click already. What stopped that for others before?

:sick:

Please do this test on your local surroundings and share the common answer with us.

Find Windows users ( not hard )
Show them both normal Wine usage vs SteamPlay
And ask them which one they prefer.

If it comes out as they pick normal Wine usage , then i will apologize ok?

Majority of Steam users ( which they are Windows ) cannot tolerate manual usage.

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"Proton" has never run a single game for me that didn't run through vanilla wine. In many cases, vanilla wine runs a game that "Proton" won't. I don't see that being in favour of "Proton".

Isn't that normal when using upstream Wine? You sound like Proton cannot run a single game but Wine can run all games. Before people go through all of their backlogs , newer Wine versions ends up in SteamPlay already.

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Quoting: GuestStill not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.

So is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.

Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.

Sorry, but from my point of view, you're just being stubborn and refusing to accept facts. Aside from the people who already lectured you with the obligatory cake analogy, steam is a platform from where you launch many games. And being an oldschool wine user, having installed my fair share of games on winesteam, each on its own wineprefix because different settings and dlls are required, I should say that it's a pain in the ass, because you also have to manage a multitude of different steam installations. I still keep two 64-bit and one 32-bit steamwine installations due exactly to that reason, since there is a couple of games that work in wine but not in proton. Also, the steam client is not compatible with WindowsXP anymore, and so I can't choose it in winecfg because steam will refuse to run, but I can do it with proton for the games that need it. And proton is more easily configurable with the environment variables in the launch options.

And the best thing is, since it's a semi-officially supported software from Steam, people are finally giving the deserved attention to wine. I know people which have been using Linux for more than a decade but had never even installed wine before proton, and finally it convinced them to try. Also, I sometimes give support to newbies in a telegram group, and it gets so much easier to help people when using steam play/proton as compared to wine...

It is not a convenience. It's not a small gap. It's a giant abyss that Valve enabled us linux users to cross.

...having said all that (from a mobile phone), my steam beta updated twice today but hasn't shown me the option to force steam play on the titles. :( Anyone else has that problem?

Library - Right click to any game - Properties

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Quoting: Guest

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Quoting: GuestStill not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.

But it's annoying to set up. One click solution is the key word. That's the way to attract people that have no idea how to setup Wine and whatnot.

Quoting: GuestSo is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.

Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.

If you can't see the convenience factor, you might want to get your eyes checked out :P

And there is a lot of sudden excitement, because things now just work, not just because of Proton, but because of all the building blocks that Valve encouraged, DXVK, FAudio etc, networking issues fixed etc...

Wow, that wasn't condescending at all. Maybe you need to learn how to use your computer better?

How is any of what I said/wrote condescending?

Quoting: GuestI don't find needing a beta version and manually going through options in Steam for each game to use an outdated wine. Against just logging in from one shortcut or another.

That's because at the moment it's just a beta - that doesn't even need you to go through options and all that stuff.

A) re-read your own words. About getting eyes checked. Then consider how you might be coming across.
B) game options must be accessed. See the article for that information.

A) There's a :P - meaning I'm teasing/joking.

B) Only for specific cases, WHICH IS STILL IN BETA

Then for future reference: teasing, joking, or poking a bit of fun, are not taken the same way by everyone. Obviously in this case. Let's agree to just forget about that all now?

Ok, still beta, but that doesn't change my original confusion: why the excitement over something that could already be done, and could be done for some time already? If I'm not clear, I honestly don't understand. By similar comparison, it's like people being excited that phone X can do something that all other phones could already do. I don't see what makes it so much more special now.
I suspect this is something that, like the craze of selfies, I'm not destined to understand.

Mirv , i think you're mixing up things.

Being able to do it with available tools already , doesn't mean any user can do it or deal with it.

In fact SteamPlay just puts Wine , DXVK , Faudio into the same pot and service it to users.

It serves users an actual cake , not this.



It is a really convenient way for both Windows newcomers and existing Linux users to do be able to use all that stuff within native client , via clicks on GUI.

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Quoting: Guesti bet tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider will run even better now gonna have to test this

Rise of The Tomb Raider port is really close to Windows port , even faster for Nvidia users compared to DX12 renderer. SteamPlay won't work performant as Feral port.

However Tomb Raider 2013 is another story.

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Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: Cr1ogenif they want to force Linux games to work with Steamplay because they do not use windows directly? I think it's a step backwards in the fight that Valve has been doing for Linux users

No , with this way Valve guarentees a good gaming experience for Linux users.

Example: A Linux user bought the MotoGPX3 game ( native VP port) but performance wise game is beaten by DXVK with a big margin.

So user can use Windows version without dealing Steam on Lutris.

Valve provides you choice and says " Use what you want"

True but Steam Play falls behind upstream Wine and Wine Staging, so Lutris and POL w/ Windows Steam client is still useful for games that need newer Wine versions. Hopefully Steam Play gets a Wine 4.x re-base shortly after it's release.

It will catch up soon , Wine 4.0 is just RC now.

SteamPlay has an aim ; whitelisting many games as possible while avoiding regressions. So it will always be bit behind of upstream.

Using upstream Wine manually doesn't offer you compability guarentee and doesn't aim it too.

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