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Quoting: GuestStill not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.

So is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.

Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.

Sorry, but from my point of view, you're just being stubborn and refusing to accept facts. Aside from the people who already lectured you with the obligatory cake analogy, steam is a platform from where you launch many games. And being an oldschool wine user, having installed my fair share of games on winesteam, each on its own wineprefix because different settings and dlls are required, I should say that it's a pain in the ass, because you also have to manage a multitude of different steam installations. I still keep two 64-bit and one 32-bit steamwine installations due exactly to that reason, since there is a couple of games that work in wine but not in proton. Also, the steam client is not compatible with WindowsXP anymore, and so I can't choose it in winecfg because steam will refuse to run, but I can do it with proton for the games that need it. And proton is more easily configurable with the environment variables in the launch options.

And the best thing is, since it's a semi-officially supported software from Steam, people are finally giving the deserved attention to wine. I know people which have been using Linux for more than a decade but had never even installed wine before proton, and finally it convinced them to try. Also, I sometimes give support to newbies in a telegram group, and it gets so much easier to help people when using steam play/proton as compared to wine...

It is not a convenience. It's not a small gap. It's a giant abyss that Valve enabled us linux users to cross.

...having said all that (from a mobile phone), my steam beta updated twice today but hasn't shown me the option to force steam play on the titles. :( Anyone else has that problem?

Library - Right click to any game - Properties

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Quoting: GuestStill not sure how this is any better than just firing up Steam itself through wine. I could already "force" a game to use wine that way. And choose various wine settings. And use an up-to-date wine. And it's not limited to Steam games.

But it's annoying to set up. One click solution is the key word. That's the way to attract people that have no idea how to setup Wine and whatnot.

Quoting: GuestSo is this all still just a convenience thing for some people? I don't see that personally. I'm otherwise confused by the sudden excitement and "now game xyz can be played" when it was already possible for quite some time.

Maybe it's just me seeing things a little differently.

If you can't see the convenience factor, you might want to get your eyes checked out :P

And there is a lot of sudden excitement, because things now just work, not just because of Proton, but because of all the building blocks that Valve encouraged, DXVK, FAudio etc, networking issues fixed etc...

Wow, that wasn't condescending at all. Maybe you need to learn how to use your computer better?

How is any of what I said/wrote condescending?

Quoting: GuestI don't find needing a beta version and manually going through options in Steam for each game to use an outdated wine. Against just logging in from one shortcut or another.

That's because at the moment it's just a beta - that doesn't even need you to go through options and all that stuff.

A) re-read your own words. About getting eyes checked. Then consider how you might be coming across.
B) game options must be accessed. See the article for that information.

A) There's a :P - meaning I'm teasing/joking.

B) Only for specific cases, WHICH IS STILL IN BETA

Then for future reference: teasing, joking, or poking a bit of fun, are not taken the same way by everyone. Obviously in this case. Let's agree to just forget about that all now?

Ok, still beta, but that doesn't change my original confusion: why the excitement over something that could already be done, and could be done for some time already? If I'm not clear, I honestly don't understand. By similar comparison, it's like people being excited that phone X can do something that all other phones could already do. I don't see what makes it so much more special now.
I suspect this is something that, like the craze of selfies, I'm not destined to understand.

Mirv , i think you're mixing up things.

Being able to do it with available tools already , doesn't mean any user can do it or deal with it.

In fact SteamPlay just puts Wine , DXVK , Faudio into the same pot and service it to users.

It serves users an actual cake , not this.



It is a really convenient way for both Windows newcomers and existing Linux users to do be able to use all that stuff within native client , via clicks on GUI.

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Quoting: Guesti bet tomb raider 2013 and rise of the tomb raider will run even better now gonna have to test this

Rise of The Tomb Raider port is really close to Windows port , even faster for Nvidia users compared to DX12 renderer. SteamPlay won't work performant as Feral port.

However Tomb Raider 2013 is another story.

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Quoting: Cr1ogenif they want to force Linux games to work with Steamplay because they do not use windows directly? I think it's a step backwards in the fight that Valve has been doing for Linux users

No , with this way Valve guarentees a good gaming experience for Linux users.

Example: A Linux user bought the MotoGPX3 game ( native VP port) but performance wise game is beaten by DXVK with a big margin.

So user can use Windows version without dealing Steam on Lutris.

Valve provides you choice and says " Use what you want"

True but Steam Play falls behind upstream Wine and Wine Staging, so Lutris and POL w/ Windows Steam client is still useful for games that need newer Wine versions. Hopefully Steam Play gets a Wine 4.x re-base shortly after it's release.

It will catch up soon , Wine 4.0 is just RC now.

SteamPlay has an aim ; whitelisting many games as possible while avoiding regressions. So it will always be bit behind of upstream.

Using upstream Wine manually doesn't offer you compability guarentee and doesn't aim it too.

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Quoting: Cr1ogenif they want to force Linux games to work with Steamplay because they do not use windows directly? I think it's a step backwards in the fight that Valve has been doing for Linux users

No , with this way Valve guarentees a good gaming experience for Linux users.

Example: A Linux user bought the MotoGPX3 game ( native VP port) but performance wise game is beaten by DXVK with a big margin.

So user can use Windows version without dealing Steam on Lutris.

Valve provides you choice and says " Use what you want"

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Quoting: Xpanderhmm Vulkan perf seems worse but is a lot smoother than OpenGL one.

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edit: ahh now i see why, OpenGL is High instead of Ultra somehow

Minimum fps is waay better on Vulkan.

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Quoting: TheRiddickIf games use vulkan then it kinda makes it real easy to port to Linux/Mac/Switch/PS4++ The only platform I know of atm that has a issue with vulkan is the xbox.... does it support vulkan? pretty sure they blacklisted it!

Guess so! Is Vulkan availlable on PS4 by now?

Xbox and PS4 doesn't support Vulkan.

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Well , Valve proved that is possible to benefit existing Windows games if you have right tools. So industry interest is normal in this case.

You want to make a gaming platform but also want old and beloved games on your shiny new platform? Well , with Linux that is possible. Kudos to Wine and DXVK mostly.

Edit:Typo

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Quoting: LinasI am starting to regret getting the annual subscription. Last month was a pass for me, and this one also seems weak. The combination of missing Linux highlights, inclusion of games from Origin and other closed platforms, and a bunch of duplicates I have been getting lately, makes me think that I will not renew my subscription once this one runs out.

You can give Yakuza 0 to me :P

Joking aside ; give SteamPlay a chance. I'm already into 20+hours in Witcher and it just works perfect.

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Quoting: PatolaIf steam play counts, Nuuvem still has for a few hours The Best GTA V Bundle ever [External Link] and [url]Shadow of War: Definitive Edition[/url] that run fine under proton.

Activation: Rockstar Games Social Club

I assume that key is not meant for Steam.

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