Quoting: mrdeathjrPeter daniels from nvidia said this:

You got his name somewhat wrong.
https://github.com/pdaniell-nv [External Link]

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NVIDIA had their release day with transform feedback today too: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/141072/en-us [External Link]

Very cool that both teams coordinated their release dates (well, that's my impression) ;)

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Quoting: LeopardWell , that is also a long term goal for Valve too. Otherwise with everybody investing only Windows platform ; Microsoft would be the monopol in cloud gaming area too.

You know Windows server edition prices? That is pretty high , even for companies like Valve since they have essentially tons of them.

And there is no guarentee MS won't go with even higher prices also.

So ; that is a plausible way forward.

May be that's also one of the reasons behind the heavy investment in proton and friends: being able to run a lot of windows games on a Linux box in the cloud for streaming services.. dunno.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Do you use Wine (excluding Proton via SteamPlay)?

This is even more complicated. Better to keep it simple.

1. Do you use Wine or derivatives?
2. Do you use Steam Play?

Questions are pretty self explanatory.

Sounds fine :)

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensThis is what I would suggest too. :)

Not exactly. You suggest to in the first question to exclude Proton. That's a different question from Wine+derivatives. It is actually more complicated to ask "do use Wine or derivatives, but not Proton?" than "do you use Wine or derivatives?".

Using your method combined with proposal to make the second question about Steam Play, some who use Proton but not Steam Play will answer no to both questions which makes zero sense if you actually want to evaluate Wine usage.

This is what I wrote:

- Do you use Wine (excluding Proton via SteamPlay)?
- Do you use Steam Play?

Note the "via SteamPlay". Furthermore I wrote "something in the line of", thus I know that the wording is not perfect. Don't know why you seem to be so keen to make your point.

Anyway, enough said. @dpanter's wording sounds just fine and keeping it simple is usually the best choice. :)

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Quoting: dpanterShmerl makes a good argument for separating 'Wine+derivatives' and 'Steam Play-Proton'. That should be fine.

This is what I would suggest too. :)

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: jensAs far as I understood eON by VP is a heavily stripped down version of wine with obviously lots of tweaks for a specific game.

eON is in a conceptual sense similar to a stripped down version of wine, but it doesn't come from the wine project itself. It's their own (closed source) codebase.

Alright, thanks for the clarification.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensI think this will even be more confusing, except for people that knows all the in's and out's of wine and its variations. Do you think that people that play "The Wintcher 2" using E-ON by VP should answer the Wine question with "yes" too? You are technically correct, but I don't think it helps here.

I guess 80% of all users talk about Steam Play when they write Proton.

eON isn't using Wine at all. If you think some question is confusing, then question should have a good clarification.

As far as I understood eON by VP is a heavily stripped down version of wine with obviously lots of tweaks for a specific game.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jens- Do you use Wine (excluding Proton via SteamPlay)?
- Do you use Steam Play?

I see no point in separating Proton from Wine in the first question. Do you need to ask about every Wine fork or modification then? What about wine-esync, wine-staging or even wine+dxvk? All that, including Proton can be called Wine and derivatives.

Question about Steam Play makes sense as a separate category. It focuses not on the tool, but on the use case of integration with Steam client and also interest of people to attribute Steam purchases to Linux usage.

Those who use any variant of Wine (including Proton) but don't use Steam Play will answer Yes (Wine) / No (Steam Play). Those who use Steam Play (which implies Proton) will answer Yes / Yes. This provides a distinction in stats for both cases and you can see total Wine usage.

I think this will even be more confusing, except for people that knows all the in's and out's of wine and its variations. Do you think that people that play "The Wintcher 2" using E-ON by VP should answer the Wine question with "yes" too? You are technically correct, but I don't think it helps here.

I guess 90% (may be more) of all people talk about Steam Play when they write Proton.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: jensPlease stay with "No". Seems that Liam will add a separate question for Steam Play (https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141516).

Liam said, that it means that question about Wine will include Proton then, so it should be "Yes" to the first question.

I.e. the first question is about the tool (Wine and derivatives). The second question is about Steam Play specifically (Steam feature).

If that's too confusing, it's better just to stick with one question about Wine.

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/reminder-update-your-pc-info-for-the-next-round-of-statistics-updates.13034/comment_id=141582

Please note that I used Steam Play in my answer, not Proton. I agree that the question about wine needs some clarification. Something in the line of:

- Do you use Wine (excluding Proton via SteamPlay)?
- Do you use Steam Play?

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