Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm just trying to put things into perspective. A hostile post on an internet forum is nowhere close to a mob threatening physical violence from 10-feet away, so your analogy doesn't hold water.

Well, my point is that if you threaten my family from 10 feet away, or via the internet, I'm (personally) still going to do everything in my power to see you jailed. This isn't a question of perspective - I maintain that while my analogy might not hold water for you, and doesn't for many others, it should.

The internet would be a more pleasant place if people didn't think that an anonymous handle on a website hosted in a country they don't live in lets them act like utter fuckmuffins.

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Quoting: MaCroX95

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: MaCroX95

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

And who would ultimately be wrong? People who judge you for not doing your job well or not keeping your promise or people who defend you for no reason, only to look moral? I mean sure, we should behave like people and not make threats and justify barbaric behavior but the answer isn't all that simple... I've seen so many polite critiques on internet where they diss every part of some games and yet they do come out and in some cases sell very well... it's just that we're small market and that's why we got the game cancelled. Even if we were the nicest people in the world when tw2 came out, tw3 would still probably get cancelled when they saw that SteamOS isn't going anywhere.

And I'm NOT justifying the threats to jaycee and his coworkers...

You're over-complicating this. Critique all you want. When you threaten me or my family because of some fucked up justification that my work doesn't meet your standard, you've crossed a line.

You say that we should behave like people, not make threats... but then claim the answer isn't that simple? Wrong. It's very, very simple.

No sir :) I said that the behavior is barbaric and is not justified anyhow. I just said that eventhough the backlash was there they can't justify not porting the game for the whole community as if we were all responsible for the backlash. My point was just that we're small and nobody cares about us. We got tw2 because of the hype for SteamOS and tw3 was announced in that hype as well. Later when they've seen how it turned out they just cancelled it.

Ah, right. Sure, I misunderstood. Fully agree.

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Quoting: MaCroX95

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

And who would ultimately be wrong? People who judge you for not doing your job well or not keeping your promise or people who defend you for no reason, only to look moral? I mean sure, we should behave like people and not make threats and justify barbaric behavior but the answer isn't all that simple... I've seen so many polite critiques on internet where they diss every part of some games and yet they do come out and in some cases sell very well... it's just that we're small market and that's why we got the game cancelled. Even if we were the nicest people in the world when tw2 came out, tw3 would still probably get cancelled when they saw that SteamOS isn't going anywhere.

And I'm NOT justifying the threats to jaycee and his coworkers...

You're over-complicating this. Critique all you want. When you threaten me or my family because of some fucked up justification that my work doesn't meet your standard, you've crossed a line.

You say that we should behave like people, not make threats... but then claim the answer isn't that simple? Wrong. It's very, very simple.

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Quoting: Mountain Man

Quoting: Luke_Nukem

Quoting: Mountain ManIf that's the reason they've abandoned Linux then that seems rather petty.

Not even close to the level of pettiness shown by that vocal chunk that spewed forth a wall of toxicity towards those who were trying to help us out.

That's just the background noise you have to put up with when doing business.

Again, threats of violence are not "background noise". Can't believe so many people are trying to justify this.

Just imagine if you provided a physical service on the street - pretzels, shoe shine, whatever - and on the one hand, you have a group of people literally 10 feet away shouting that you should just fucking die because your service, in their opinion, is sub standard. Then on the other hand, a second group of people standing 5 feet away telling you to grow a thicker skin, just ignore those guys, pfff, just background noise.

Yeah, sure. This is one of the most depressing threads I've ever experienced on the internet. And, given Reddit, or the Steam Forums, that's really saying something.

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Quoting: omer666There are a lot of good points made in this thread. My own position about this is that there were several justifications for such strong reactions. We must analyse what's gone wrong in context. <SNIP>

Justification for threats of violence? Death threats? Yeah, real classy. I didn't even read past that opening sentence.

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Quite a lot of folk don't seem to understand that this is Jaycee's opinion, not an official CDPR press release.

Also, hate is never justified. But criticism can be justified easily, even if it's not always welcome.

Finally, I wish people would stop pointing at Torvlads, or Stallman as justification for abuse. You might as well throw Jobs in there too. These people are/were revered for their vision despite their often abhorrent people skills. Again, there's no justification for hate.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: PompesdeskyAs to the DRM thing, I had DRMs in Steam when I used it within Windows, I don't see why I would complain now that I switched to Linux. Going for an open source OS doesn't mean everything has to become open source,

Some people ditch Windows because they are fed up with DRM. Same people usually don't use Steam ;) You can see a lot of such folks among GOG users.

If GoG released their Galaxy client for Linux, I'd likely buy there first, every time. Until then though, I can't be bothered with a) their inconsistent release policy, b) constantly having to patch my own games, c) the lack of a "steam cloud" (although not all games support steam's version, sadly), and d) the lack of any kind of friends browser for finding a multi-player game that isn't full of holes. As in "ass".

Once GoG sort that out, they'll have a pretty devoted customer here. Until then, I'd rather find my DRM on Humble.

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Quoting: Mountain ManWhy don't they just give us a simple Ubuntu repository? That would make things so much easier for everybody.

2 reasons: it's in Alpha; they would rather have a launcher.

If they don't provide a deb/ppa, they've basically got one less tester over here. I suspect that I'm the tip of a fairly big Ubuntu-shaped iceberg.

Sure, if I'm incredibly bored, I might give it a go, but honestly, the last time I had time on my hands, I briefly looked at this, then ended up downloading the awesome OpenMW instead.

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Quoting: Guestshowing it running on a gtx 1080 and a core i7-7700k

There's really no fluidity to this at all. What framerate is this? It seems like really horrible performance given the hardware.

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Quoting: Whitewolfe80wait its unity and he does not know how to fix it holy crap.

Yeah, surely you just hit the "Export" button and choose "Linux", right? /s :huh:

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