Quoting: ArtenYou cant argue epic lied them, when they had engine at least 3 years in hands

I give up with you. If you can't understand that a) pivoting the engine even just a year into development is a massive undertaking and that b) they were told they didn't need to pivot anyway because Epic were fixing the engine issues (and then didn't) then we're done.

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Quoting: Mountain Man"If people didn't care, then the companies wouldn't be hyping it" is backwards logic. They're hyping it because they want people to care. That's the whole point of advertising.

But they're hyping the second generation of their product. Clearly enough people did care or there wouldn't be a Sony VR 2, a Vive 2, an Occulus... whatever.

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Quoting: ArtenWhat childish atitude?

Insulting a well-established gaming studio because Epic's failed promises led to said studio not releasing on our platform. Childish.

Also, ignoring the extraordinary lengths that the studio went to trying to work around those failed promises.

There’s nothing childish, this is a consumer hobby. People paid money for an idea and didn’t get their purchase. Telling people they should just buy the game and be happy with it because “developers work hard” is childish fan talk.

Ah, no. Context is king. First, I didn't say "be happy with it". Criticism is valid and should be encouraged. I said insulting the devs is childish.

Second, there are plenty of devs on Kickstarter who absolutely took the piss. My point here is that RFG didn't. I'm getting tired of saying it, but read Corben's history of how we arrived here - RFG went absolutely above and beyond to make the Linux port and were shafted by Epic.

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Quoting: ArtenWhat childish atitude?

Insulting a well-established gaming studio because Epic's failed promises led to said studio not releasing on our platform. Childish.

Also, ignoring the extraordinary lengths that the studio went to trying to work around those failed promises.

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Quoting: EagleDeltaOh, I know that many people here would not see it as "Wine is native". From a philisophical perspective that's right, from a Technical perspective, though, WINE/DXVK/vkd3d are "native" in that they are APIs that are making native calls and that's exactly the purpose of an API is to provide an interface between two or more pieces of software.

Sure, but my point was that the "technical" explanation is moot. No-one will describe a wine-wrapped game as native.

Quoting: tohurtbh people need to get over themselves and just admit running windows games on Linux is far more superior to running crappy half a** linux binary ports

Anything half-assed will be inferior. But a good native port will outperform a good proton wrap any day simply because no translations are required. I have a beefy enough PC that I genuinely don't care (I'm "over myself") but there are plenty of gamers out there who will feel the pain from Proton's performance penalty, whether it's 5%, or 20%.

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Quoting: Mountain ManIt's not the cost that's keeping people away but lack of interest. VR is running into the same brick wall as 3D television: people simply don't care.

Perhaps, but I suspect it's the cost. If it was a lack of care, I doubt Sony would be hyping their new VR kit, nor would Meta be hyping their shitty metaverse. Anyone who's tried (good) VR and didn't feel sick wants more of it, but the cost is still sky high.

Quoting: TheSHEEEPIf you can afford a PC that could run Alyx, you could affort a VR headset. Nobody needs a Valve Index to get into VR.

The price of the Index kit on Steam is still the same as I paid three years ago - £919. That's only slightly less than I paid for my (then) PC with its 32Gb RAM, AMD 3900X and Sapphire RX5700, a (then) top end spec. Don't know how much you earn, but that's way (WAY) outside of "hobby" funds for me.

So I'll say it again - it's the cost that prevents wider uptake.

Sony VR 2 is roughly £550 - still £75 more expensive than an actual PS5. So again, the cost will massively restrict the market.

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Quoting: EagleDeltaTL;DR - WINE IS native by the actual technical definition of what an API does. If WINE isn't native, then no APIs are.

Appreciate what you're trying to say here, but I doubt anyone, at all, ever, will agree that "Wine is native". I certainly don't. Call it emulation, call it translation, whatever. But I'm not calling it native.

On the other hand, these days... I don't really care. But a lot of people out there do.

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Quoting: rea987Are you seriously got offended by someone else considered a tech nonsense?

Belittling something that people have paid money for, enjoy and want to defend or promote is insulting and offensive, yes.

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Quoting: ArtenThats my internal definition

Internally define away. Knock yourself out. Just realise that it's meaningless and irrelevant to everyone in the real world.

Offering refunds isn't a sign of anything? Yes, it is. It's a sign that RFG are doing the best they can to be the good guys here. Epic screwed them, and they've gone above and beyond their responsibilities to you, a kickstarter backer with absolutely no rights. They had NO obligation to offer refunds. None. But they're doing it anyway.

Quoting: ArtenThey know it only on release is sign of incompetency.

RFG are far from incompetent. Pretty sure you enjoyed E1, right? And now I'm enjoying E2, an absolutely incredible experience. Criticising a dev for decisions is one thing. Blatantly insulting their capability in the face of evidence is quite another. You can get right in the sea with that childish attitude.

Quoting: ArtenBut still they lost credibility

Only with those who stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the extraordinary lengths these devs went to in order to try to deliver their product.

You're hating on the wrong people here, and it's frankly out of order.

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Quoting: Mar2ckI love Half Life Alyx and I'm glad more people will get to experience it but I'm expecting people to play it like any old flatscreen game and then dismiss it as a mediocre shooter.

The best part about Alyx is it's tactility. The fact you can rest your hand on a wall and it doesn't just phase through, that you reload by reaching for ammo over your shoulder and shoving it into your gun, hiding behind cover during firefights by physically ducking, the god damn gravity gloves. Just throwing stuff around and flicking your wrist to pull it back to you is so fun, I don't see how that can translate to a traditional gaming setup.

I really wish Valve would port Alyx to PSVR2, then it's be more accessible but in a way that doesn't compromise the experience.

Spot on. Alyx was one of the first games I ever played in VR when I first bought my Index and that feeling of "being there" kind of set an expectation that wasn't delivered in other titles. The way the hands move to hold things as you brush against them honestly had me nearly leaning on them and falling over! Incredible immersion.

Great that Alyx is getting a wider audience, but there's so much in this game that won't translate well on a screen - thinking mainly of pretty much every scene that involves Jeff. Or painting on the windows in the very first room. Or seeing the walker nearly crush you, or, or, or. The VR experience is just amazing, but so difficult to put into words.

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