Yesterday the dev tried to upload it (didn't want to break the surprise :P):

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Quoting: RoosterThat depends on how you look at it. Saying that the only way to get DRM-free content is by using GOG is indeed not true.
However, saying that the only way to keep getting DRM-free content is supporting GOG is pretty reasonable, since providing DRM-free content is literally GOG's mission. No other store made such effort to provide DRM-free content as GOG. So if I, as a user, want to get DRM-free content, using GOG is indeed the way to do so.

Of course, there is "for the cause" argument too. But nobody gave that argument, we were debating about DRM-free content.

Again, is all about a store preference in the end.

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Quoting: monnef

Quoting: x_wingYou can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end.

It is not "highest end", it is "high end". Nvidia has even more powerful cards like Titan or Quadro...

Radeon VII and the 2080 are still high end, though. It's a big cluster of things that tier (a lets keep Quadro out of Scope, as we would have to bring AMD PRO and Frontier edition)

Quoting: monnefYeah, for low and mid range I would too go with AMD. But on the high end of a performance spectrum there is no choice, there is no competitor for 2080ti or higher. (Also worth noting more performant AMD GPUs had issues with overheating and shutting down pc [without overclocking], not sure if it is fixed.)

I will not argue that 2080ti has no competition for now. But Radeon VII is also high end, in the same way as RTX 2070 and 5700 XT are middle-high end. But saying that "AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia" or that Mesa features are a "concentrating on useless things" is a complete bias.

There way too many advantages of having the Open Source driver (remember gallium-nine?) and the hardware that sells AMD has an excellent performance compared to Nvidia (if not better). We are talking about the quality of a product in our OS, and AMD exceeds by far to Nvidia products in almost every tier (from my point of view).

By the way, regarding the overheating "issue" both sides has this troubles: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-2080-ti-gpu-defects-launch,37995.html [External Link]

Quoting: x_wingIf you want performance, you don't care much, if at all, about fps/$ ratio. In my case I am planning to buy Index, so I am saving for high end GPU to be able to feed 144FPS (or at least 90) at >4k resolution with reasonable quality settings. And don't get me wrong, I would prefer an AMD card, but there is simply none in this specific (sub)market. I hope my next card will be AMD, that the next (or after next) gen AMD cards will start competing with high end Nvidia ones.

Well, you're a very specific customer so that is way you prefer a product created for a very specific market. But for almost everyone else, AMD still have excellent product in all the tiers and is (from my point of view) the best choice for a Linux user.

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Quoting: Shmerl

Quoting: x_wingThose restrictions aren't present in this game. i.e. it's a drm-free game.

Restrictions are present in their TOS. So developers telling you to ignore it doesn't change that. Steam doesn't want you to make backups. They just not always try to actively prevent it. That's not the same as DRM-free store which allows it.

In the same way as restrictions are present in GOG TOS:

3.3 Your GOG account and GOG content are personal to you and cannot be shared with, sold, gifted or transferred to anyone else. Your access to and use of them is subject to GOG’s rules which are set out here, as updated or amended when necessary.

So, based on your definition, should we still call GOG a DRM-free store?

More over, this scenario is worst with games that requires GOG services in order to have multiplayer content. I mean, GOG in the same way as steam can terminate your account which in that case would limit access to content of games you purchased.

Sorry, but we're playing the lawyers here and it has no sense. Being so strict with your rules will eventually force you to even close your current GOL user account... I can understand that you prefer GOG, but is completely stupid to keep saying that the only way to get "fully DRM-free" content is by using GOG.

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Quoting: ShmerlNo, DRM is about restrictions. I.e. whether you are restricted in your usage after the purchase or not. Steam requires you to use the client to install the game. I.e. they don't sanction backups according to their terms of usage (except for using their own backup method, which again involves their client and etc.).

Those restrictions aren't present in this game. i.e. it's a drm-free game.

Quoting: ShmerlWhether they enforce it or not is already secondary. DRM-free store should not stop you from legally making backups. And they provide downloadable packages for such use case. DRMed stores quite explicitly avoid that, because they don't want you to back anything up.

You give a black & white definition for the store. Steam doesn't enforce anything by itself, each developers has the option to do such thing, so it's kinda difficult to say that it's a DRMed store under your definition.

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Maybe is time for a GOL RL championship... just saying :P

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Quoting: appetrosyanOk. There's a heck of a lot of registry hacking involved, not to mention that the thing is either incomplete, or a fingerprinted backup, neither of which would work the same way.

It's not that difficult if you use steamcmd client. Of course having a UI makes everything simpler, but my point is that you can get the same DRM-free product from GOG or Steam if the game dev wants.

For the curious people out there: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD#Cross-Platform_Installation [External Link]

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Quoting: appetrosyanAlso, I'd like to see how you're going to "just copy" across different platforms.

Pretty much the same way you do on GOG: download the native version of each platform and proceed to "just copy" where ever you want.

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Quoting: RoosterBut with Steam, I cannot do this. With Steam, I currently have no way of installing new games on my PC, unless I carry my whole PC and monitor to another place.

Quoting: Smoke39Is that not what this does?

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With some games you can simply copy-paste the directory anywhere and play without steam (this game in particular is on that group).

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Quoting: cprnI don't understand this. People don't expect eBuy to "clean their act" and take care of counterfeits or to check if every goods sold there are legit and not stolen. Why is it not the same when it comes to similar platforms but dealing with licence keys? How's that different?

I would not make a parallel between software and physical products. There are some big difference that keeps users away from something with a fishy origin when it's a physical good (many ethical and security reasons).

As I said, the difference is the speed. G2A gives a fast way to sell your keys without caring about keys origin. So, here what it's important: The way they handle the market affects developers and they don't care. The "I don't care" behavior they have completely justifies the devs statements in this case.

By the way, I don't think that opinions will change between platforms that have the same or a similar behavior. If G2A is getting all the attention that's just because they are the big fish.

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