Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: TheBardDRM-Free on Steam does exist! When a game is DRM-Free on Steam, you don't need to login to play. You can even use steamcmd to install games without the client. Indeed it's a bit more complex that downloading a file from a website but actually it's more convenient because stemcmd deal with lots of stuff. When the download is complete, you can backup the game directly the way you want, move it where you want and play without Steam. I've tested it myself several times! Steam is not a DRM but Steam offer a DRM solution for the devs who want it. It's up to the devs to make their game DRM-Free or not on Steam.

I don't think saying users can learn steamcmd is a reasonable argument personally, for those who prefer fully DRM-free.

Why is not reasonable? If a user wants to download a game from GoG they should also learn on how to execute the installer (he must give execute privileges to the file to begin with). I still don't understand why there is such "DRM-free" tight concept when there isn't any restriction to your game once is downloaded (in this case).

I can fully understand that people want the game on GoG because that's where they have their games library, but the argument of "it isn't drm free until it is on GoG" is completely nonsense.

Quoting: appetrosyanJust because YOU haven't put DRM in your game, by publishing on Steam you're restricting my ability to share it. For example, I can lend a GOG game to a friend. He can play the game at the same time as I am playing something else. I can't do that on Steam.

I can lend you a tarball with the game right now if you want. No Steam required at all.

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Quoting: monnef

Quoting: x_wing...
As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

Performance? Last time I checked, AMD is still lagging behind Nvidia. On userbenchamark 2080ti (flagship, not best Nvidia GPU) is more than 25% more powerful than 5700 XT (best AMD GPU). And that's raw power, I am pretty sure games and game engines are much better optimized for Nvidia than AMD, so the real gap in performance in games is probably much bigger.

As a Linux user I see a clear reason why to buy Nvidia hardware.

You can argue a reason if you want to buy a highest end. But still, I would go for a Radeon VII all the time instead of the RTX 2080 (radeon vii benchs [External Link] ).

Anyway, not everyone has a budget for a 2080 Ti and RX 5700 has a way better performance per dollar ratio than their Nvidia counter parts. And as I already said, in the same way as in Windows, AMD GPUs gives you a better performance per dollar than Nvidia: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-sub200-2019gpus&num=9 [External Link]

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: dannielloYes, there is extremely proprietary nVidia driver that in theory "just works". In reality yes - it "just works" with games, but meantime it is creating many weird glitches/errors in many, many applications and situations (like glitches after resume from hibernation).

Same true for mesa+amd/intel: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395421 [External Link]

Not amdgpu bug though.

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: x_wingIf you like to buy hardware on the release date, that's definitely a problem (that can be fixed, though). In the other hand, for almost 99% of the Linux users AMD hardware is 100% plug and play.

It's really not. A lot of linux users on steam experience issues with amd(vulkan drivers missing, glitches, bad perf. etc) and there are games which don't support amd.

And in the same way many Nvidia users experience issues with nvidia proprietary driver

https://github.com/doitsujin/dxvk/issues/1100 [External Link]

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: x_wingAs a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

Because you're ignoring facts and concentrating on useless things.

And you're ignoring the fact that I've been using Mesa for gaming for more than three years now. Also, talking about useless things, would you recommend a user that gets the latest nvidia card to install it using their .run installer? Yes, you have "support" from day zero but it isn't for everyone.

The way that amd supports their hardware now days is definitely they way to go on Linux. And no, it's not "useless" to have a working driver out of the box.

Quoting: GuestNvidia provides a better performance for a good value. It also has the best high-end cards, its cards consume less electricity and have better heat management(the new navi cards have cooling issues according to the users).

Unless you're obsessed with wayland, there's no point in getting an amd gpu other than the 5700xt(assuming that the card's price will drop soon and it can deliver).

But you buy your cards based on the power consumption or the performance per dollar that they give you? If the latter, the scenario is pretty much the same as in Windows (i.e. the 570 were kicking asses, and the 5700 will do the same with their current price).

I'm not obsessed in any way with wayland (???), I as many others just like to get the best quality and support from the money I invest. So, AMDGPU is an extra quality that sums up to the hardware, so that's why I'll always be willing to even pay an extra for AMD GPU.

In the same way I buy games on Steam because they are doing the right thing in my OS, I also apply the same logic when I have to buy hardware (i.e. Intel and AMD will always get my money, Nvidia won't)

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Quoting: liamdaweNot sure I follow?

From my point of view, there is an overreaction regarding the DRM issue, probably due to a lack of knowledge from the dev on how to ship a game using another platform out of Steam. So, it's definitely pointless to keep bringing discord quotes.

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Quoting: liamdaweIt's not a flame war to point out such things.

Sorry for the repost, but tou're taking these way too personal Liam.

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Quoting: liamdaweIt does make me wonder how much time was spent on the Linux version to begin with.

He said that he just created the build for Linux, so a Linux build on gog would definitely need some extra work as he must create the installer. Also, it's not necessary to install a full steam client, with steamcmd you can get the game to your disk and run it without problems.

For me it's the native working great after I activated vsync, not to mention that the game is really good. Hope he still ships the Linux version as I will always prefer the native.

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Quoting: cprnHowever, this is where all that anti-G2A logic falls short because that's not the end of the story. I had a talk with several card association reps and apparently the real story begins after the keys get revoked. You see, people who bought stolen keys also make complaints to their card issuers.

G2A has their own countermeasures for the penalties. For example, remember that G2A users can opt-in for a purchase secure, so they get their money back (most of the time to their G2A wallet) without having to execute the chargeback.

As I said, the problem for indie devs is the chargeback they get because G2A simplifies the money laundering operation. And of course, G2A doesn't care about that... so that is the real complain from the indie devs.

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Quoting: GuestNvidia: releases the driver with the hardware on the same day, even for linux.
AMD: "We are targeting a launch day driver [for Linux] but Windows obviously takes priority"(https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/02/will-amd-radeon-rx-5700xt-graphics-cards-support-linux-gaming/#4e6d19043af9)

If you like to buy hardware on the release date, that's definitely a problem (that can be fixed, though). In the other hand, for almost 99% of the Linux users AMD hardware is 100% plug and play.

As a Linux user I don't see any reason to buy Nvidia hardware...

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Quoting: HoriAnd I want to finish with two important points:
- G2A is not a cause, it's an effect. If it somehow gets taken don, other stores will take its place. It'd be just like the war on drugs, but on a much smaller scale.
- I fully despise the practice of what is in reality, stealing. I don't have any problem with legitimate sellers tho, but in it's current state, G2A is for the most part a theives den.

Your second point is what makes G2A a cause.

The fact that they are so famous and gives guarantee of money refund is what let end users accept the risk of buying keys from their re-sellers (they give trust to their clients). But in the other hand, they also don't care if a key has a fraudulent source, so their service gives a quick way to credit cards robbers in order to sell what they bought with the stolen information (resell speed if another key factor for credit card fraud).

The real value of their company is the trust that they have with their costumers; that is what would be very difficult to gain to any other G2A replacement that gets into the market. So, if G2A closes or adds fraud countermeasures then the game keys fraud would definitely be reduced due that without their market the fraud operation would become harder to exploit.

From my point of view, there many fishy moves from their side and right now is quite obvious that their only purpose is to extort indie devs so they sell their keys on their market.

I leave here some interesting articles regarding the way the reselling scam works (it also gives some numbers regaring on how this fraudulent moves affects indies):

https://kotaku.com/g2a-scammer-explains-how-he-profited-off-stolen-indie-g-1784540664 [External Link]
https://kotaku.com/notorious-game-key-reseller-g2a-gets-torn-to-shreds-in-1791943348 [External Link]

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Quoting: Ehvis

Quoting: ageres

Quoting: EhvisThere is at least one crash report for nvidia for Borderlands 2. But that one crashes so quickly with so little vram usage, that I highly doubt it's related to fragmentation.

I haven't tried v0.13 yet, but with the previous version Borderlands 2 crashes for me as soon as I load the latest saved game and it consumes 2 GB of VRAM.

Something like that, but that's only a fraction of my vram.

Check Liam's link

Quoting: liamdawe

Quoting: GuestIs D9VK suffering from the same Nvidia crashes as DXVK due to memory fragmentation?
Bloodstained keeps crashing on my nvidia 770 card

Not sure, but it seems NVIDIA have jumped in to try and get more feedback [External Link].

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