Quoting: BeamboomIf you just want to play Windows games, install Windows.

No.

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Wait..

Why is this whole comment sections basically a continuation of the previous thread, instead of discussing the actual topic which has nothing to do with the CLI and is a GUI only move to prevent new users from bricking their DE, which I would say is very objectively a good move.

If someone thinks that this was a bad move from KDE, I would love to hear their arguments.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: RoosterSo instead of package managers having to expect that their users will not read Warnings (which imo is ridiculous), I would say that the distros aimed at new users like Mint and Pop should include a message when running the Terminal (with the option to disable the message for future) that the Terminal is a high level tool and the user is expected to read and understand potential Warnings.

So for people who don't read warnings, what you want is a warning, because that will surely make them read warnings.

Shit, that's a good point. Well then the only way for them to learn to read them is the hard way. Like Linus did.

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Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: slaapliedje

Quoting: AussieEevee

Quoting: ObsidianBlkThose neon warning signs are there,

I think part of the problem was that there was no neon warning signs. The only warnings Linus got was an error from popshop that wasn't clear on what was happening... and a giant wall of text from apt.

That 'wall of text' ends with "you are about to remove essential packages, type exactly, 'Yes, I know what I'm doing' to continue."

Which is more than enough to say 'stop, you're about to do something horrendous to your system.' I have made many jokes before about not being able to do flashing red text in Confluence because of people not following the wiki... But really there are two things to blame here. 1) Linus being smart enough to be dangerous. 2) Linus not being patient enough to read the warning.

Since Linux distros wait for more users coming over from the Windows realm, package managers should expect users coming that have been trained to ignore most of the text that is beeing thrown at them during installation of software. For them it is almost unthinkable that the installation of a gaming software could uninstall parts of their OS.
So I think it's an improvement that such users now actively have to search for the command that can do harm, instead of being able to use it by just ignoring something.
I would love the error message being clickable (depending on the kind of error of course), linking the user to a site where he/she can read about and report problems and solutions with the package that led to the error.

I say there are 2 issues here:
The first one 100% apt/Pop OS fault and that is that this should NEVER have happened during simple package installation, even if done from terminal.

But.. as anyone who worked with computers for a long time knows.. One of those things that should NEVER happen will eventually happen. Doesn't matter if you are on Linux, Mac or Windows. Which brings me to the second issue.

The second issue is 50% user fault and 50% Windows fault for training its users to be dumb and not read Warnings (yes even if it's a simple installation of package, user should be expected to read Warnings and Errors).

So instead of package managers having to expect that their users will not read Warnings (which imo is ridiculous), I would say that the distros aimed at new users like Mint and Pop should include a message when running the Terminal (with the option to disable the message for future) that the Terminal is a high level tool and the user is expected to read and understand potential Warnings.

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Quoting: AussieEeveebut you cannot expect that of a normal user

I saw quotes like this also in the previous thread on this topic: The normal user can't be expected to.. The regular user won't..

I thought about what the issue here is. If I'm using a CLI, it gives me a "wall of text" and I literally type in "Yes do as I say" without reading the text, then not putting the blame on me as a user is ridiculous isn't it? It should be clear, that this is 100% my fault, no matter what kind of user I am.. So how come so many people are defending this kind of behavior from a user?

And then it hit me. The "normal user" the "average user" should be in fact replaced with "normal Windows user" and "regular Windows user" and suddenly everything makes sense.

I'm on Linux now, so yeah.. Not only I read all Warnings and Errors, I actively look for them in the "wall of text". However, this is not the case when I use Windows. Because Windows encourages and trains its users to not read anything and just click Next, Next, or OK. And I have to admit, when I use Windows, I do this as well, because instead of simply doing the task I clearly asked it to do, Windows first gives you 1-3 windows asking if you really want to do this simple task.

I remember when I was phone navigating my ex, who have been a Windows user for most of her life, to change something in BIOS. During my instructions, a message popped up which I did not expect and she just automatically pressed Enter on it without reading it. In freaking BIOS!

So yeah.. While this isn't the case in this scenario, I don't think we should cater to dumb users, trying to protect the user from himself. Or we will end up training users to not read anything, just automatically press Next Next like on Windows.

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Quoting: kalin

Quoting: scaine

Quoting: kalinI tried popos and it was the same garbage as ubuntu. After some update the system got broken. From my experience manjaro is far better choice then anything Debian based. Turd is a turd no matter how much chocolate topping you put on

This kind of comment is unhelpful and, frankly, deluded. I've said it before - it's insanely frustrating to see such a small niche shitting on another niche just to get one over on the other 'side'. Grow up.

No, I just have an opinion, negative one and it's coming from personal experience. I tried many distros for big period of time. The last time I used ubuntu was for 8 mounts and frankly this time was better then previous time because now they use systemd and my system boot for adequate time yet many of their packages are not linked to most recent version of their libc or other crucial lib which lead to crashes or undefined behavior. I stopped using it after system get broken after update, similarly to what happen to Linus with pop os (not like I blame apt)
I don't even remember why I stop using popos but in the beginning I was so enthusiastic that I even donate money to the project and only after 4 mounts I quit it forever

Just curious, what were your issues with Debian? (I'm talking about Debian here, not Ubuntu and Ubuntu based distros)

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I would actually say that the UI was very well done.

"This should not be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!"
"You are about to do something potentially harmful!"

Doesn't get any more clear than that.

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Lovely art

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I got the issue today after doing a full system upgrade. Not sure what is going on there. Switching to Beta fixed it.

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Now even better contender for GOL community games

I played it and it was very fun. Especially since all of us had the "hide in plain sight" cocky attitude.

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