Quoting: riusmaBaldur's Gate III! :wub:

Just wishlisted it on Steam for Proton.

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Quoting: 14This game has been on and off my wishlist.

Quoting: NeverthelessI gave it a try as soon as it was playable on Linux. It really felt like a true successor to the Baldurs Gate games. Great roleplaying!

True successor to Baldur's Gate games? *sigh* How can I ignore that? I'll have to take a peek at some fresh takes.

What makes the game special to me is, that it feels a lot more pen and paper like than say Pillars of Eternity to me. For me it's more adventuring and less game mechanics. I waited so long to play it when it's really ready.

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I gave it a try as soon as it was playable on Linux. It really felt like a true successor to the Baldurs Gate games. Great roleplaying! I just decided to wait a little more, because they still worked on it so much. Now it seems the right time will be soon..

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Quoting: NeverthelessA nice way to put it! The only downside is: voting with wallets means only "yes" votes will be counted. This way one of the most frequent arguments in favor of the Epic Shop (including exclusive deals) is: "I don't care!".

I don't think so. CEOs do have an idea of the market size. Epic can't have precise numbers of how many people are boycotting them but they do have an idea of how much of the market they have penetrated with their exclusives. Remember when they were caught browsing in steam files and uploading the content? They don't sell your friend list to Chinese government but they do get an idea of the size and kind of people with one client or another or both of them and their network.

When people that refuse to install their client adds up they'll notice. And it's good they do. The sooner they realize we won't yield the sooner they'll stop being a cancer and adopt a model that is functional to the PC gaming industry. Valve is private company. I dunno what kind of cash reserves they have but assuming they have decent reserves they can fight an attrition war better than Epic. Only that for as long as this nonsense goes on there will be repercussions on the financing of their side projects like VR, linux, proton and so on. Especially since they are already dealing with the Artifact fiasco. And that is bad for all PC gaming since Epic is not compensating with its own PC focused initiatives and, as far as they let us know, they have no intention to ever compensate. For them PC is just one platform like another, they just started their world conquest quest from here because being open makes it more vulnerable to market manipulation. Their short and long term strategy is purely to pass bigger revenues to publishers by sacrificing gamers and with no strings to ensure that part of these revenues publishers get go to actual developers (actually recent news looks like Epic has an issue with its own developers). But PC gaming has a die hard number of informed trend setters and influencers. And there is and there will always be resistance.

Most gamers don't see it and stop at Sweeney proclaims of being the savior of the industry, but Epic is actually charging part of the costs of their attrition war on to them (when they do not absorb transaction costs and offer nearly 0 features that require some kind of cloud maintenance cost). Given how much money Epic has it's unlikely that Valve won't be forced to cut something itself in the medium long run. Which means that in the next years PC will lose competitivity to consoles and any other new player (Stadia and such). And I don't want it.

This is a commercial war for PC gaming. I simply want to do my little consumer part to make this madness stop as soon as possible. And I know at Epic they'll notice a little more now that Epic store can not be installed on linux.

I think you're doing the right thing of course! I'm just a bit frustrated to see so many people falling for trojan offers from time to time. It hurts themselves, and it hurts all of us, because it sets standards. Valve and all potential other shops simply might be forced to sell userdata too some day, when Epic succeeds to lure away developers with bigger revenues.
People rarely even know what their behavioural data is worth to the data miners, and what it's used for. They think money from personalized advertizing magically falls out of the sky and pays Google, Facebook, bonus systems like Payback in germany (I don't know what they are called in other countries), and the likes, but the only source of money for the whole economic system is the end consumer. So the price for all spying, datamining, advertizing, manipulation, free software (as in free beer) and services is paid by the consumer anyway, just invisibly. On top of that datamining gives them the means to manipulate us even more effective.
Linux gaming on Steam, GOG, Itch... for me is the chance to pay and play great games, with or without DRM, no further strings attached. I would really like to keep it that way! I gladly give my money to developers directly, but I won't pay someone to spy on me if I can prevent it!

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Quoting: MalThank you lutris guys to give me the possibility to not install Epic Game Store client.

Mr Sweeney took away my ability to vote with my wallet by taking away the games he bought from the penguin, but now you gave it me back. And I choose to not support his anti consumer and anti pc gaming initiative.

A nice way to put it! The only downside is: voting with wallets means only "yes" votes will be counted. This way one of the most frequent arguments in favor of the Epic Shop (including exclusive deals) is: "I don't care!".

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Quoting: GuestOh, and Valve can still within that limited time say you're abusing the system and stop offering refunds. I can't go buying 100 random windows-only games and then ask for a refund on all of them. So there are conditions that apply.

So at the end of the day, we as consumers should read the super long wall of texts named EULA/T&C.

But I know, not many people normally read those texts... Unless if you're a lawyer.. :D

Seems to to have no consequences right? :)

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Quoting: orochi_kyo

Quoting: liamdaweHonestly, I think it's crazy how many people turn their noses up at Wine. I've said it before and I will say it again, without Wine letting me play some games on Linux in the early days I simply wouldn't be here today.

I now take what I can, where I can. If I can get a game working on Linux, officially or not and have fun with it that's what matters most. The majority really don't care about the little details, they just want things to work.

Im a Wine user too, but the way you present it is the source of all the problems in the world.

Exaggeration much? But Wine is commonly maligned by hard core Linux users and Liam's comment simply acknowledges that elitism, while rejecting it.

Quoting: orochi_kyoAnd the fact your comment got 36 likes, well, I dont know what Im doing here. The reason I get from people who uses Windows is the same you are using, they want things to work. As a Linux users we should be straight with the fact we always have to do the extra mile. So you only wants things to work? Why the ... are you using Linux?

It's a news article that announces new functionality AND suggests that Lutris might be about to get a huge cash injection from Epic... what's not to like??

As for wanting things to work - Liam's comment suggested that the majority just want things to work. It describes me, to be honest, but only the in context that I've made my mind up about Microsoft and Apple. That leaves me with Linux. That's why I use Linux. Having made that decision... yes, I "just want things to work".

As I said earlier, though, I won't be touching anything to do with Epic. I'm not supporting bought exclusives, and anything
a Linux user does decide to buy on their half-assed store will count as a Windows sale. It's shitty for the consumer, it's shitty for Linux and I'm having nothing to do with it.

In democracies a majority decides for all (pro voters, opposed voters and those who don't care). Those who don't care, or even don't know about the question, don't vote.
A problem of the market place is that people aren't primarily asked what they think, but what they want to have (plus or minus what they think). Still the majority decides for all, but this time people who don't care, or don't know about, vote pro, especially when there is no other market place offering the item they want to have.
Giving money to the (fine) Lutris people means supporting Linux users who like Epic, who don't care or don't know about possible cons of Epic to support the Epic shop.

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Quoting: gradyvuckovic

Quoting: callciferDo I think Epic is being extremely aggressive with their store? Yes. Do I think there is any other realistic way of ending Steam's dominance? No.

Why would we *want* to end Steam's dominance? For a regular PC gamer that makes no sense but it makes doubly so no sense for a Linux gamer..

Well Valve could use some competition, and I would say doubly so for GNU/Linux. Epic Store isn't the competition I had in mind, but while gaming is dominated by a single company and locking it with proprietary software, then that's not ideal.
No, Valve aren't doing bad things, but the situation is still not as many GNU/Linux users want.

But don't their methods kill every hope for a better competition to arise somewhere, sometime?

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Quoting: callciferWow, 6 whole pages of pure hatred in the comments. In the meantime, some of us are silently playing the excellent Satisfactory on Epic with zero issues (thanks Lutris team!).

Do I think Epic is being extremely aggressive with their store? Yes. Do I think there is any other realistic way of ending Steam's dominance? No. Do I think they should spend time officially supporting Linux? In the future, maybe. Right now they need to be laser-focused on Windows and that's fine by me.

So arguments against Epic are "pure hatred"? No wonder you see Valve as some kind of oppressor!

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Quoting: kneekooHow about we look at the Epic Games Store (EGS) like it's something new? How about acknowledging the need for a business to establish a new product first, and later evaluate expansion opportunities? How about considering the fact that opening the EGS client for Linux-based operating systems also means dealing with a different set of other customer support issues?

My point is that whatever their plans are, it makes perfect sense for them to be cautious with a market that they're new to. It's only logical to take smaller steps and see where it leads, while making sure what is built can sustain itself, because no one wants to burn money just because they have a lot of it.

As a Linux user for nearly 2 decades now, I also want more software available on my distros of choice - or at least the most popular ones. But we know a long list of reasons why Windows still has a large market share and how that impacts the decisions of other software makers. So why not leave them to do whatever they have planned and see where everything goes, without any kind of drama? We can still criticize the exclusive games, in a civilized/mature manner, without throwing them under a bus for not supporting Linux early on.

Aren't we supposed to be "smarter" than the average PC user because we're aware of, care for and uphold privacy and software freedom? Let's also try to be better people, not just more informed. I'm tired of all the drama we see all over the internet. Let's make our community a better one, for fun's sake.

1000x this. Everyone here is like "oooh epic bad", "exclusives bad". Steam has exclusives, origin has exclusives, battle.net has exclusives, uplay has exclusives. I don't like exclusives either but this is the world that we live in right now.

Everyone is ragging on Epic because it's the new cool thing to do, not thinking of all the money Epic are getting to Devs by taking less of a cut than Steam. It's Epic taking a financial hit here, I'm sure they could have entered the market taking a teeny bit less % than Steam. But they've come in waaayy below steam. And you know what that means right? More money spent of making a good, fun game.

Don't get me wrong I love steam and all the work they have done in getting Linux gaming to the place it is now. But everyone here seems to think that competition to steams store model is a bad thing which it is not.

I also saw comments on here saying that Epic was trying to pay off Lutris with a less than working wage for getting the epic store working on Linux with the grant. I'm sorry but whoever you are that thinks this, you are an idiot.

Again, Epic can only take 18%, because they sell user data. I simply don't understand why consumers (I hate the word) use the 18% as an argument for EGS, when they do not profit from it at all. On the contrary, prices for exclusive deals (and no, Steam has no exclusive deals other than their own games) will create high prices, and your data (what you play, how long and when you play, what you do when you play) will be their data mining product on top of that! The 18% are the reason why Epic has to sell your data, where it will not only be used for commercial purposes, but will also feed deep learning machines figuring out how human crowds can be managed and exploited more easily.
Epic already don't take their customers more seriously than Google, Microsoft, Facebook, or their chinese counterparts.
I loved the idea of Linux support in the Epic store at first, but that was when I didn't know about everything else they would do.

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