Quoting: MohandevirSorry for my ignorance, but could Valve push the "AC kernel module" with the Steam Linux client installation?

That could make it available on any Linux installation (not just SteamOS)... No?

I don't think they want / can build the steam client with third party software, and in this case you're talking about pushing third party AC to users who won't play those games too.

Anti Cheater software must be always bound only to the games using it, even VAC (Valve's Anti Cheat) only works for games using it, despite being from the same company of steam.

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Quoting: The_Aquabatbut but... what it matters the most, Does it run Crysis?:happy:

I wonder what the butterfly effect would've done to Linux gaming nowadays if we could run Crysis on linux back in 2007

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Quoting: MohandevirNot even counting on the reputation of Valve that will suffer as much, if they don't deliver.

Valve reputation won't be affected outside the "hardware selling" part maybe, they are and will continue to be the biggest game store in the planet despite the results of steam deck.

The only thing that's actually in game here is the reputation of Linux systems running games for the average people, which is why this worries me...

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Quoting: MohandevirSame here, but Valve must have some substancial breakthrough that they didn't share, if they made such a bold claim. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense...

All I know is: If this statement is just PR then SteamOS is over, because a lot of people already think that this is just steam machines all over again, and I'm worry that if Steam deck fails, then it'll have a huge negative impact in the progress of games running on linux.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want to wait 10 more years to see some meaningful progress in that part.

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I think the only way Valve can "solve" the AC problem is using a custom Linux kernel which gives some kind of root access to the system. Any user side solution will be exploitable and AC companies will not want to support it.

I am really skeptical about this situation improving so much with steam deck release, specially if Valve just use a plain arch Linux kernel.

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Bough this game, but had to refund because of a memory leak problem in the Linux version. I wonder if the situation is better now...

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Before someone says "something something Arch bad for steam deck something something" I would like to remember that Steam deck will not pull updates from the main arch Linux repositories, instead Valve will push updates from their official ones, in order to avoid this kind of regressions.

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The latest comes from another blog post by developer Mike Blumenkrantz, who noted from a Phoronix benchmark that performance actually went down recently with Zink instead of up.

With this kind of behavior we can see Blumenkrantz is really passionate for this project (Zink), that's why we are seeing so much progress in a short time.

Linux has a lot to win with developers like him :grin:

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Quoting: GuestWhat possible benefit could that have in the long term?

Already said my opinion in the previous posts, and since this article is now in page 2 I end here.

Until next time friend!

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Quoting: GuestTo turn things on their head: if you're such a fan on Windows games, why aren't you using Windows?

Oh come on don't appeal to ad hominem, we're having a good debate :smile:

We started this conversation with your opinion that Proton is not good for gaming, and I gave my saying I disagree.

But I will tell you a secret: I am using Windows too. Not because of my choice, but because I currently working for a company that have some legacy .NET systems (before core/5), so I'm kind of stuck with windows for now (but my notebook is 100% Linux though). If I had something like Proton to work with it, then I wouldn't be using it in any way because I really prefer Linux nowadays.

I also made 2 of my friends migrate to linux, because they have weak setups but could play some games with proton, and they're loving it (they were using windows 7 before).

I doubt my case was the only one in the world, and I can guarantee you that I wouldn't have convinced them if wasn't for proton (and wine).

I'm telling you this because I think you're too worried about the direct impact of proton in native (treating as a permanent alternative to native software) that you're not seeing the potential of the long term benefit this can have in the Linux adoption, and therefore improvement.

The good thing is that common users doesn't care about windows either, they just want to use their favorite software in an easy way, and if Linux can offer it for them (proton or not), then it's good.

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