Quoting: BeamboomOh ffs. Do even windows users use that one? What does the browser stats say?

Most devs in the company I work for, use Edge now. On MacBooks.

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Pre-rendered backgrounds are a delight, but the pixelated 3D graphics hurt in the eyes.

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I'd consider this if it had a detachable keyboard and a touchscreen. A tablet-like device with Linux, mainly to read comics and study, would be great to my tech collection.

EDIT: https://en.jingos.com/jingpad-a1/ [External Link] This kind of looks promising if the community manages to boot other distros on it.

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It looks like a Paper Mario.

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Quoting: Eike

Quoting: ArehandoroFor me, the key point is here:

"System Support - If running through Proton, the game and all its middleware should be supported by Proton. This includes anti-cheat support."

Emphasis is mine.

Does that mean a game can be verified for Windows on Steam Deck but not Linux/Proton? If that's the case, I don't see that going down too well...

No, it means they still can be Linux native.

Thanks, that makes sense :)

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For me, the key point is here:

"System Support - If running through Proton, the game and all its middleware should be supported by Proton. This includes anti-cheat support."

Emphasis is mine.

Does that mean a game can be verified for Windows on Steam Deck but not Linux/Proton? If that's the case, I don't see that going down too well...

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: ArehandoroTo play Steam games offline, even if we were to have ALL games on our HDDs, we would need Goldberg Emulator, which to me is nothing more than another crack to bypass the online features of Steam.

Therefore, saving the difference in features, and not counting all the things Valve have done for the gaming community, etc, requiring Steam to play a game is not different as requiring GfWL.

Maybe I have all the wrong Steam games? Every time I've tried to play a Steam game when I didn't have internet access, it popped up a thing bitching about not being able to contact Steam and asked me if I wanted to play in offline mode; I said yes and played the game. I didn't need a crack or an emulator or whatever. So as far as I can tell, what you're saying just isn't the case.

It doesn't last indefinitely for all the games: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1744483505475893224/ [External Link]

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Quoting: robvv

Quoting: ArehandoroWithout Goldberg Emulator after a giving time you wouldn't be able to log in to Steam, and not all games work directly with the executable without Steam. Not counting all the features integrated that games have that rely on Steam.

I was responding to your assertion that the games "would not work". Goldberg Emulator doesn't let you log into Steam, but it allows you to run Steam games either offline or (in some cases) multiplayer.

My point was that as long as your games are downloaded, most will work just fine with a bit of tinkering. Yes, you will not have the social features of Steam or be able to make any further downloads, but at least you can still play the games you have installed.

My point was that with tinkering, cracks, or the help of the community it's the exact same case with GfWL.

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Quoting: robvv

Quoting: ArehandoroNo different to the fact that if Steam were to go bust all our games would not work either, not downloadable.

Assuming that you have many of your games already downloaded, they will still work just fine (except some Feral titles). Some may require the Goldberg emulator to run but that's about it.

Without Goldberg Emulator after a giving time you wouldn't be able to log in to Steam, and not all games work directly with the executable without Steam. Not counting all the features integrated that games have that rely on Steam.

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Quoting: Purple Library Guy

Quoting: Arehandoro

Quoting: slaapliedjeI thought this happened a long time ago (the removal of Games for Windows). Like back when that service was murdered. Think of all those old games that had integrated this garbage, and the other one that died, Gamespy... definitely made a large section of software unplayable. But I know when it happened years ago, that most things that had any sort of community had Games for Windows removed.

No different to the fact that if Steam were to go bust all our games would not work either, not downloadable.

No, I'd say it's somewhat different. If you have a game that had GfWL integrated it wouldn't matter how much warning you had, there would be nothing you could do to make your game work once GfWL went away.
If you own a Steam game and Valve goes under, unless it's amazingly sudden you can, like, download the game before they finish dying. Sure, if you have massive numbers of games that would take ridiculous amounts of storage you might have to buy a big hard drive or something. But if you purchased that many games you are not poor, so whatever. And if you bought a bunch of games with no plans to have enough storage to so much as download them, it's really on you; I'm actually kind of in that boat, but I don't tell myself it's Valve's responsibility--the decision to not fully take ownership of those games by putting a copy on my own computer was mine, not Valve's.

When I had Fallout 3 on PC, on Windows back then, I didn't purchase the game. There was a crack that allowed me to play without GfWL. To play Steam games offline, even if we were to have ALL games on our HDDs, we would need Goldberg Emulator, which to me is nothing more than another crack to bypass the online features of Steam.

Therefore, saving the difference in features, and not counting all the things Valve have done for the gaming community, etc, requiring Steam to play a game is not different as requiring GfWL.

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