Quoting: 1xokWhere are these repair centers located?

They haven't said. All they say is to open a support ticket and they'll arrange to have your unit shipped to one of their centres.

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Quoting: scaineJust read the earlier comments. Tyron has made clear several reasons (on their blog/forum - read crse's comment) why it's not a priority. I want it on Steam too, but there are good reasons it's not.

Not really good reasons. They think they'll make more money - see my prior comment - and they believe that they need to charge the same price for sales off Steam as they do for sales on Steam, which isn't at all true if they aren't giving Steam keys for sales off Steam and isn't quite true if they are giving Steam keys. It's their choice, of course, and if they don't feel their game is even at Early Access quality yet that's also their choice.

Even if you could debate those particular reasons, the main one I completely agree with is that Steam is an unbelievably harsh audience - critical, demanding, largely uneducated and unbending. And the worst part? They get to review your game publicly, allowing for a sole developer's career to be largely ruined on the basis of, say, a similarity to Minecraft.

If Tyron doesn't have immediate cashflow issues, and actually cares about their reputation as a game developer, then I completely agree with their caution. Despite the fact that I'd really like to play this, but as I say, without Steam multiplayer, I can't see me buying this.

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Quoting: wit_as_a_riddle

Quoting: scaine

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Quoting: scaineI've never once, ever, in over 1100 games, experienced a launcher which improved a game experience.

Minecraft has a useful launcher. That's the only one I know of though. Funny how people make even better ones to replace the one useful launcher I know of.

I'll give you that. One game. And even then, a launcher that's only actually necessary because the core game design is so poor that you have to juggle versions for mods. So even then, while I agree it's a useful launcher, it's only useful because it's absolutely necessary and I'd STILL prefer that it didn't exist!

Perhaps the most successful game of all time has poor design? Sure, you can make an argument for that, but I'm not going to buy it lol. Also, being able to switch versions is a feature not a bug.

The game has great design. The engine, the implementation... the bit that get you playing? It's a (well documented) mess. And if it wasn't, there would be absolutely no reason to switch versions. Like, you know, every other game out there that just uses one mod-able version which works for all use cases.

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Quoting: Linuxer

Quoting: CatKillerIf being on Steam gets you 43% more sales than not being on Steam, then the 30% pays for itself, even ignoring the saving in hosting and bandwidth costs. Everyone's free to make their own decisions of course, but "I'm not putting my game on Steam because I'd like to make more money" isn't a terribly reality-based position for anyone EA-sized and below.

What's this developers email or Twitter? Could somebody just tell him exactly this for crying out loud :whistle:

Thanks but I am well aware of this - and being made aware of it on a regular basis :smile:
It is likely that the game will be on Steam some day, but I currently see no urgency for this.

Good to hear! But to be blunt: we users kinda have a huge urgency for Vintage Story to be available on Steam :wink: i mean, what would you lose for putting it out there? Or maybe i'm just a damned simpleton.

Just read the earlier comments. Tyron has made clear several reasons (on their blog/forum - read crse's comment) why it's not a priority. I want it on Steam too, but there are good reasons it's not.

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Quoting: elmapulare you sugesting that an government pc should be offline

Are you seriously... actually seriously... suggesting that if a government entity is so incompetent to be running a decades old operating system (when multiple upgrade paths have been available for years and years) that they should "just pass a law" to force Microsoft to produce patches long after its well-announced EOL date??

Or are you just trolling. It honestly sounds like trolling.

Because that's not how the world works. Back in 2014, only 8 years ago, the UK government paid £5.5M [External Link] to Microsoft, begging them for an extra year's support. No laws involved - they just dropped public money into the MS pot to cover their incompetence. Pretty sickening really - they had 7 years to fix their shit and this is how they went about it.

Managing your legacy O/S footprint is bread and butter in most enterprises. I'm currently overseeing the removal of our last 100 or so Windows 2012 servers right now at my workplace, for example. Because believe me, there will be no laws created to cover this easily avoidable threat.

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Quoting: elmapulthey cant legaly completely drop support for something used by millions

Of course they can. What global law are you referring to that obligates a company to support well announced end-of-life products??

Maybe you meant "ethically". They can't ethically drop support. Which I can agree with, but of course, when has Microsoft ever considered the ethics of its actions?

(hint: never)

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If the gameplay was slowed down by about... oooh... 50% I might be tempted. But I actually got stressed out just watching the trailer! :tongue:

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Quoting: AdutchmanThis isn't a question of "5 minutes of Google"

Yeah, I agree - it's definitely a bit more work than that to ensure Linux compatibility. But they promised to do that work. People bought into their game based on that promise.

Same old problem with crowd funded games - no accountability. Developers have been defrauding the public on Kickstarter for years with these kinds of promises. Whole projects simply walk away with hundreds of thousands of pounds with no repercussions.

I'm not saying what's happening here is on that scale - in the grand scheme of things, "not delivering a Linux version of our game" is a pretty minor form of fraud, but it's tedious how often it happens, and it is still fraud to sell something based on a promise you can't deliver on, even if you think you're justified in blaming a third party (Unity) for that outcome.

(I've seen this defended before, and I think it's because Linux is so small. Imagine if a dev promised a Playstation version of their game alongside the Xbox version, then failed to deliver on the Playstation version - there would be a gigantic outcry. But when it happens with Linux, it's just "ah well, no big deal, there are only 17 Linux users in the world anyway.)

Realistically, we should probably be happy that they're willing to work on a Proton version at all. Look at the Carmageddon assholes, by comparison. Not only did they defraud their Linux customers, they trolled them in social media repeatedly. The Prodeus devs are saints by comparison.

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Quoting: woox2kThis game needs no cinematic mod

Cinematic mod is important for the gaming community, both to show off their world and for camera control in live-action, episodic content, like those that Neebs Gaming [External Link] make.

But as an indie studio not on steam, no-one outside of GOL is likely to know much about this game anyway.

Quoting: CatKillerIf being on Steam gets you 43% more sales than not being on Steam, then the 30% pays for itself

I completely agree. Maybe the game has sold 50K units off-steam, I don't know, and the dev is happy with nearly £1M revenue, right? But then you have Valheim on several million sales - even with the lower price AND the 30% cut, it's a different league. 50 million sales (so far) - roughly £500M revenue after the 30%. That's... half a billion pounds. Insane money. They sold 3M units inside of a fortnight. You can bet that the 5-person studio behind Valheim weren't moaning about the 30% cut when those sales started rolling in.

And yet there are probably quite a lot of Vintage Story fans that would make the case that it's better than Valheim. Surely worth the risk?

steam crowds can be pretty harsh

But on the other hand, I agree with this too, and since Vintage Story looks like Minecraft, it's likely in for a rough ride in a way that Valheim somehow got a free pass, despite their similarities.

(That was a very long-winded way of saying that I'll likely pick this up when it hits Steam, but unlikely to do so before it does - it's the kind of game I'd enjoy playing with my small circle of online mates, and getting them to set up/host games from Steam is already a challenge - it's just not worth the hassle trying to coordinate it all in a custom off-steam environment)

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Quoting: wit_as_a_riddle

Quoting: scaineI've never once, ever, in over 1100 games, experienced a launcher which improved a game experience.

Minecraft has a useful launcher. That's the only one I know of though. Funny how people make even better ones to replace the one useful launcher I know of.

I'll give you that. One game. And even then, a launcher that's only actually necessary because the core game design is so poor that you have to juggle versions for mods. So even then, while I agree it's a useful launcher, it's only useful because it's absolutely necessary and I'd STILL prefer that it didn't exist!

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