Quoting: CatKillerIt's not the only advantage. They've also got a subscription service, their own console line, and hundreds of game studios (including the - by far - largest ever gaming industry acquisition)

Yeah ok. We were talking about OS only, technologically speaking, but yeah, in a business sense, MS is much bigger than that. Still, MS games are on Steam and are quite nearly all playable on the Steam Deck/Linux Desktop, last time I checked? This is what we were talking about.

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Quoting: MohandevirUnfortunately, you are right about that. It's probably the only advantage that Microsoft still got over Linux, in gaming.

Bad wording from my part, I should have used "Windows" instead of "Microsoft", I admit. My bad.

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Quoting: eldarionAnd this is why you should not rent a game (which is what you do when purchase anything on steam).

Please explain because, from my point of view, you will get this forced update, no matter where you bought the game, else you will get blocked from playing the game. It's not a renting or Steam issue, it's a live service game issue.

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Quoting: MohandevirLet's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

I guess that won't happen anytime soon (unless something EXTREMELY BAD happens, like a massive exploit and/or data breach), since -on purpose or not-, this allows M$ to gatekeep gaming and prevent desktop Linux and Linux-based handhelds to reach their maximum potential.

Unfortunately, you are right about that. It's probably the only advantage that Microsoft still got over Linux, in gaming. They will probably cling to it as long as possible even if giving kernel access to a game, which is absolutely not an essential service, doesn't make sense.

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Quoting: MohandevirIf Microsoft goes forward with this idea, all kernel level anticheats might become a thing of the past.

Unfortunately, it looks like this will go down the same path as when it happened years ago, where third party kernel rootkit authors will rightfully point out that Microsoft has an advantage if it kicks all other AV software off the kernel but its own.

Unless there's been developments on this that I missed?

In fact, there could be this piece of info:

"Industry analysts believe that limiting kernel access where possible makes sense."

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3483641/crowdstrike-backs-microsofts-demand-for-reducing-kernel-level-access.html [External Link]

For games, it's totally possible, imo, but I'm not Microsoft. :wink:

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Quoting: ToddLGood thing I only cared about the Campaign mode on Battlefield 1 and finished that up after Battlefield V was infected with this POS anticheat.

Quoting: MohandevirLet's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

If only that same logic can be applied to all kernel anticheats from companies like Activision and Riot Games.

I was referring to a discussion that Microsoft just started where they announced their intent to lock third parties from kernel access, following the Cloudstrike debacle (Liam published something on the subject).

If Microsoft goes forward with this idea, all kernel level anticheats might become a thing of the past. It doesn't mean that these games will automatically run on Linux, but I really hope it happens nonetheless, the sooner, the better.

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Let's just hope Microsoft end up locking them out of kernel access, just to make this a complete waste of time and money, for EA.

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Quoting: Mohandevirand works differently

It works exactly the same in principle, you need to lower the game's resolution and then it will be upscaled with the selected algorithm. LS just offers more upscalers. Plus there's Frame Gen (interpolation), which can also be implemented in gamescope, but probably only FSR.

Ok! So the thing about fps cap is tied to the Frame Gen part? That's probably why I read that FSR3 is better than Lossless scaling; it includes Frame Gen, if I remember correctly?

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Quoting: Caldathras

Quoting: MohandevirDo we know if Valve is working to bring something similar to lossless scaling to SteamOS? It seems it does "miracles" on Windows side, on ANY game.

Is it better than AMD FSR? I must admit that I can't compare, I don't have a Windows partition. :sick:

I could be wrong (no Steam Deck), but isn't that what Gamescope does?

Gamescope has different system wide upscalers (Linear, Pixel, FSR, NIS), but from what I understand, lossless scaling is Windows only and works differently. Instead of lowering the resolution, you lower the fps cap to, Let's say 30 and lossless scaling will raise it to 60fps.

I would be curious to try that on SteamOS. This said, in-game FSR3 should give better results.

Take this with a pinch of salt, it's just my understanding.

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Do we know if Valve is working to bring something similar to lossless scaling to SteamOS? It seems it does "miracles" on Windows side, on ANY game.

Is it better than AMD FSR? I must admit that I can't compare, I don't have a Windows partition. :sick:

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I think I'll probably reinstall a Windows partition, just for the pleasure of being mad at Microsoft... Not. :grin:

The only way I'll use Windows is through GeForce Now. I'll let Nvidia manage this garbage OS. :wink:

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