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Quoting: MohandevirI'm wondering if SteamPal's futur OS isn't going to be ChromiumOS based... Just a tought.

Valve won't want to be beholden to Google any more than they want to be beholden to Microsoft.

You are probably right (Liam seems to have insights that I don't :wink:), but that's why I wrote ChromiumOS, not ChromeOS. It's the fully open source version of ChromeOS.

Edit: I tried Cloudready's version on a couple of old laptops. Quite lean, reactive and efficient, for what it does. It lacks the official Google Store support, though (for good or bad, depending on your perspective).

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Quoting: Liam Dawe

Quoting: MohandevirI'm wondering if SteamPal's futur OS isn't going to be ChromiumOS based... Just a tought.

Nope, absolutely not. It will be a new version of SteamOS, of that I'm 100% certain ;)

Based on (SteamOS)? :grin:

To make it clearer, I still remember PLGriffais mentionning something similar to: "We are tired of dealing with Debian tooling." on his twitter feed, if I remember correctly. So what will SteamOS "3.0" be based on?

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I'm wondering if SteamPal's futur OS isn't going to be ChromiumOS based... Just a tought.

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Quoting: Orkultusfirst glance it looks like Mac OS, or windows 11, with that icon bar

LOL, my first thought on seeing Windows 11 screenshot was that they copied COSMIC (I think they showed that design before Win11 builds were out?).

When I saw Windows 11 leaks, I tought: "Here is a ChromeOS clone". Which seems to be a spin of Docky or Cairo-Dock.

It seems they all "borrow" from each other. :smile:

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Mainly F1 2020 with my 3D printed "racing wheel support" for my Steam Controller. For about 50$, it's much better than just holding the SC in my hands and much more precise than I anticipated. Pretty statisfied with that thing.

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Imo, it's much better integrated and fluid than GeForce Now. It's my first pick when it comes to Cloud gaming (I have 2 Nvidia Shields). Performances are greater than I expected (I have a good internet connection and network) and Stadia's family share is the best version you may find.

Last weekend, at the same moment, my daughter was playing Just Dance 2021 on her laptop (Just Dance Controller app on her smartphone), my son was playing Ghost Reckon Breakpoint on the basement's TV (Shield 2017) and I was playing Grid on the main restroom's TV (Shield 2019)... It's like having 3 PS5 or Xbox X series at the same time (1800$ worth of hardware)... Try to do that with Steam or any other service... To me, and anybody who got a family (with gamers), it's worth gold.

Btw, you may already use the official AndroidTV client if you launch the game from your smartphone's Stadia app and ask it to play the game on your AndroidTV box/device. After that, all you have to do is exit the game and then you gain access to the full Stadia app for AndroidTV. The official app is snappier than the sideloaded mobile app (ex: no more delay displaying your game library).

I still have the fear of Google's graveyard, but they are on to something great and it gets better by the day. Let's hope they persevere and don't pull the plug on it, it could become quite a singular offer.

Edit: All that's missing to the service is EA NHL22 and they will have converted me. :happy:

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Google and Valve have much in common, on the Linux front, and there is an obvious form of collaboration between them (Project Borealis)... So, who knows what will come out of it?

https://boilingsteam.com/steam-on-chromeos-not-a-rumor-anymore/ [External Link]

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Quoting: Mohandevir

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: fagnerlnEven with Linux on every PC, Proton fixes one of the bigger annoyance of Linux: Fragmentation.

I daresay that the whole fragmentation thing is a bit of a myth. For the vast, vast majority of games they ran on any distro, or could easily be made to do so.

"Proton" doesn't really solve a technical issue. It solves a customer experience one.

... Or a dev support issue... No need to support Linux, with proton it's possible to make the Windows build run on Linux with a lot less support from their part. I'm not sure that Proton will go away, unless Windows and Xbox disappears... It's probably what will allow us to play Bethesda games, for the foreseeable futur, considering their Xbox Gemepass and PC exclusivity stuff...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/starfield-todd-howard-talks-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc/1100-6492977/ [External Link]

"You don't ever want to leave people out, right?" he told The Telegraph. "But at the end of the day, your ability to focus and say, this is the game I want to make, these are the platforms I want to make it on, and being able to really lean in on those is going to make for a better product."

-Todd Howard

Sounds like a PR speach with half truths, but... If at least Proton could become some kind of official Steam SDK, so that developers may officially support and test against it, it would be a good start. Hopefully, it's what will happen with the Steam Pal.

Such PR stuff is always half-truths at best. What they really mean is not a better product, but a way to make more money. I've seen it being completely impossible to run on a GNU/Linux system, too hard, the software just doesn't run, etc etc etc....and bam, Stadia, suddenly no problems to get it running.

...of course, the person you quoted has something to do with Fallout 76; even I've heard of the monumental failures of that, and I've never play any game from that series.

But anyway, even Carmack was musing once about improving wine being better, and that was in 2013 I think. I don't want it to be a standardised target however, for one particular reason: it will stifle gaming creativity on GNU/Linux. It will always be chasing what Microsoft are up to, and that will lead to stagnation in my view.

I can see why wine, or an officially bundled up version of it (aka "Proton") would be attractive to a lot of developers, and don't get me wrong, playing various games without needing to dual-boot is very nice, but I still vote for full native over wine any day of the week.

(And yes, I can "sound"/read as a bit ranty, even if I don't mean it, but I like to explain why I have my views. And none of this is right or wrong, simply conversation.)

What I wrote in my original post wasn't a wish of mine. I just stated what I think will happen. I would much prefer native Linux builds, but I'm resigned... It won't happen in the short to middle term, if at all.

There is a platform war that just got reignited, and PC gaming is the warfield, this time. Linux is a really small player in all this. Stadia and Steam Linux (Steampal) are probably our best weapons, if we have any.

These big corporations got the smell of the money, thanks to Valve that brought PC gaming where it is, but they just don't care about us.

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: fagnerlnEven with Linux on every PC, Proton fixes one of the bigger annoyance of Linux: Fragmentation.

I daresay that the whole fragmentation thing is a bit of a myth. For the vast, vast majority of games they ran on any distro, or could easily be made to do so.

"Proton" doesn't really solve a technical issue. It solves a customer experience one.

... Or a dev support issue... No need to support Linux, with proton it's possible to make the Windows build run on Linux with a lot less support from their part. I'm not sure that Proton will go away, unless Windows and Xbox disappears... It's probably what will allow us to play Bethesda games, for the foreseeable futur, considering their Xbox Gamepass and PC exclusivity stuff...

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/starfield-todd-howard-talks-exclusivity-on-xbox-and-pc/1100-6492977/ [External Link]

"You don't ever want to leave people out, right?" he told The Telegraph. "But at the end of the day, your ability to focus and say, this is the game I want to make, these are the platforms I want to make it on, and being able to really lean in on those is going to make for a better product."

-Todd Howard

Sounds like a PR speach with half truths, but... If at least Proton could become some kind of official Steam SDK, so that developers may officially support and test against it, it would be a good start. Hopefully, it's what will happen with the Steam Pal.

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Quoting: EikeAnd before it, there were the single game handhelds...

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That's the ones! Notice the square logo on the upper left of the lower panel. Those are the "Game & Watch" games I mentioned. They were huuuuuge in the 80s. There were quite a few of them, both of the single and double screen types, and we traded them at school so that everyone could get to play all the games available.

Those and the Game Boys dominated. Even though the Lynx and the Game Gear or Nomad were full color. Granted all of the portables ate through batteries like crazy!

Wow! My memory goes as far back as Pong and the Coleco Intellivision. I even played with the baseball mini-arcade game with basic lights, but I've never seen any of these. I've seen Gameboys once or twice in the 90's and that's all. What I've seen a lot is the Nintendo DS... This was everywhere up to the apparition of the Switch.

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On another note, I'm wondering if Valve didn't come to the realization that it's biggest threat is still Microsoft, this time with it's Xbox GamePass/XCloud that brings everybody under the control of Microsoft and it's store... Again... Valve realized that they still need an hardware platform that is not Windows based, to survive... That the threat didn't disappear, it just mutated. Just a guess.

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