Quoting: Leopard

Quoting: NeverthelessThe closed beta version works perfectly with Steam Play. So no real problem for me.

That is a problem for me.

People are simply missing point of SteamPlay:

1-) It integrated for bringing huge backlog of people on Linux.

2-) There are some games that needs a much more bigger user base to be porting: AAA games.

Actually , that is meant for bringing people into Linux for little bit closer.

When a game like this ( have possibility for Linux ) got delayed or canceled i would never buy it.

I wrote "for me" quite intentionally, because I can imagine that it's not easy for a small developer to deliver everything at once. I trust them to deliver a native version as promised, and I don't care what deeper meaning Steam Play might have to some people or even Valve. For me personally it's great, to be able to play the game, and to be known as Linux user while I do, even before the native version is there.
I can also understand, that there are Linux users, who only support native Versions. Completely ok with me. Those people are probably best off to only purchase existing native Linux games, like it's been said here so many times.

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The closed beta version works perfectly with Steam Play. So no real problem for me.

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Finally! I got Divinity Original Sin 2 Definitive Edition working. I had backed the game on Kickstarter, because I really thought they'd provide a Linux version. Turned out to be naive.. :-D
It doesn't matter anymore! The game seems to run perfectly now!

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Nevertheless<snip>
True, Valve stand on the shoulders of giants, like we all do, whatever we do. What I find most important is: They let others stand on their backs too. Aside from their client, everything they did is freely usable by competitors or the public, a lot of it is even open source. They truely seem to live openness (yes, maybe mainly because that serves their cause, but hey..). What else could we want?

Well you did ask...

Personally, I think Valve is a good example of how using open source can benefit and grow a company. ARM are showing it as well in the embedded world, and have done for a long time, but desktop often lags behind, and gaming in particular seems to want an iron grip on everything these days. So bear in mind that I've nothing against Valve at all, despite what many may think!

But, what I want more is less reliance on Steam itself for games. I just want to use Steam as a way to download and keep games up to date. Basically like what GOG Galaxy is supposed to be. Optional extras on top for using some of the Steam stuff for multiplayer games, but I would like game developers to really make it an optional thing - so that I can run the game without Steam, at least in single player mode.
And a little less reliance on the "steam runtime" would be nice. Mostly because it's outdated and is the entire reason that I can't play a few games (including Deus Ex: MD, DoWII:Retribution, and a couple others).

Before anyone jumps up & down, that's all in the hands of developers. Valve don't stop any of the above actually. I mention because it's in relation to the use of Steam, and I still very much think that _Valve_ dictate what games I can play, and when, because of reliance on Steam. Being able to rollback versions mean an update that breaks a game could be undone for me, and not needing Steam means I'm in control of when and where I want to play a game. Which is why, despite all the benefits of Steam, I will buy single player games from GOG, given the choice.

....but again, nothing to do with Valve, everything with to do with developers & publishers.

I've got no problem with your opinion at all. It's reasonable enough!
Just out of curiosity.. You can't play several games because the Steam runtime is outdated and does not work properly with your distro, or because you replaced it with something different and the games won't work with that?

Distro I think. Some of the games are because of a version screwup with libssl I believe (it's not compatible with the rest of my system). Other games are a distro thing I think, and because I'm just the right size of crazy to stick with mesa-git (I _think_ that's why Rise of the Tomb Raider stopped working for me, but it was a Steam update and a mesa-git update at the same time, so can't be entirely sure).
Dawn of War II: Retribution (just that one it seems) has another incompatibility with it that causes it crash as soon as speaking starts. Library version, and I think it's again because of my choice of distro. Did talk to Feral about it, but they can't do much; they needed the library, and so had to choose a version for a more widespread distro (Ubuntu something-or-other) and were aware it might not work on other distros. This is fine with me; I accept a few compatibility problems when using Gentoo!

Because of some of these reasons, I actually play a few games with native versions through wine instead. Things like flatpak might make it unnecessary in the longer run - more complex games tend to pull in lots of libraries, and it makes it that much easier for something to break, so wine or flatpak, or whatever, might help out there.

--edit: Rise of the Tomb Raider does now spit out loads of SPIR-V warnings, so that's a strong indication that it's a mesa (radv) update.

I gave up on Gentoo years ago, mainly because I found it too complicated to keep working after updates. Live is generally harder upstream. I found out I'm more happy with (Ku,Xu)buntu, Debian or Mint.
But yes Flatpak might be a solution for you, at least for everything driver unrelated.

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Quoting: sub

Quoting: Nevertheless

Quoting: subFinally got back to TIS-100.

For my taste the Zachtronics games are one of the best things to happen. :)

Oh yes, I plan to finish this one too! This "display programming" started to be too much grind-work at the time I played it. And then I somehow I left it alone..

:)

The only complaint I have is that it seems to melt my notebook.
It's getting *extremely* hot for the very simplistic presentation.
It literally hurts my legs while playing for 2 minutes - so I have to put it somewhere else.
This affects all Zachtronics games so far that I played (not including Opus Magnum and the newest one which I both don't have *yet*).

It's Unity based, right?
IIRC, I have similar issues with other Unity games.
For reference:
The notebook has a Haswell CPU/GPU but a rather high display resolution with 2880x1620 pixels.

I don't know what the game is based upon, but it seems unlikely that it uses that much horsepower.
Maybe it's got a cryptocurrency DLC? ;-)

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Quoting: subFinally got back to TIS-100.

For my taste the Zachtronics games are one of the best things to happen. :)

Oh yes, I plan to finish this one too! This "display programming" started to be too much grind-work at the time I played it. And then I somehow I left it alone..

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Nevertheless<snip>
True, Valve stand on the shoulders of giants, like we all do, whatever we do. What I find most important is: They let others stand on their backs too. Aside from their client, everything they did is freely usable by competitors or the public, a lot of it is even open source. They truely seem to live openness (yes, maybe mainly because that serves their cause, but hey..). What else could we want?

Well you did ask...

Personally, I think Valve is a good example of how using open source can benefit and grow a company. ARM are showing it as well in the embedded world, and have done for a long time, but desktop often lags behind, and gaming in particular seems to want an iron grip on everything these days. So bear in mind that I've nothing against Valve at all, despite what many may think!

But, what I want more is less reliance on Steam itself for games. I just want to use Steam as a way to download and keep games up to date. Basically like what GOG Galaxy is supposed to be. Optional extras on top for using some of the Steam stuff for multiplayer games, but I would like game developers to really make it an optional thing - so that I can run the game without Steam, at least in single player mode.
And a little less reliance on the "steam runtime" would be nice. Mostly because it's outdated and is the entire reason that I can't play a few games (including Deus Ex: MD, DoWII:Retribution, and a couple others).

Before anyone jumps up & down, that's all in the hands of developers. Valve don't stop any of the above actually. I mention because it's in relation to the use of Steam, and I still very much think that _Valve_ dictate what games I can play, and when, because of reliance on Steam. Being able to rollback versions mean an update that breaks a game could be undone for me, and not needing Steam means I'm in control of when and where I want to play a game. Which is why, despite all the benefits of Steam, I will buy single player games from GOG, given the choice.

....but again, nothing to do with Valve, everything with to do with developers & publishers.

I've got no problem with your opinion at all. It's reasonable enough!
Just out of curiosity.. You can't play several games because the Steam runtime is outdated and does not work properly with your distro, or because you replaced it with something different and the games won't work with that?

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Quoting: Guest

Quoting: Cyba.Cowboy<snip>
Apple have made absolutely no attempt at grabbing some marketshare when it comes to PC gaming, and even their high-end computers are mostly rubbish when it comes to gaming... Not to mention the fact that most of Apple's range is financially out of reach for a significant portion of the population, even if they were (hypothetically) great for PC gaming.

That was more long-winded than I intended...

To get to my point, whatever the reasoning behind "Proton" (and Steam Machines, for that matter!), the PC industry could do with a little more competition because as the old saying goes, "competition breeds innovation".

Half-assed efforts at increasing competition - such as those efforts from GOG.com - do little in the grand scheme of things... Real efforts - such as those from Valve - actually make a difference when you look at the big picture.

Yeah people have been saying it's "the year of the Linux desktop" for as long as I can remember and realistically, that's probably a long way off... But when it happens - and there's a good chance it might - I guarantee Valve Software will be a part of the reason why it has happened.

If GNU/Linux desktop becomes more widespread, then it would be very, very bad if Steam holds dominance on gaming for the same reasons - and actually worse, because a core concept of GNU/Linux is to be open.

But, while Valve can play a part, I always point out that Valve never did so much alone, but are standing on the backs of giants: wine, AMD (opening up drivers, donating Mantle to Khronos, and more), radv, Intel (their drivers always were open), nvidia (drivers and long time OpenGL support), Unity3D (engine support before Steam was even thought to be on GNU/Linux), and of course TTimo and iD Software. And more.

And yes, Valve has been heavily involved in Vulkan from the start, and has contributions to Mesa, X, and porting their own games across. Valve definitely help improve - but the foundations were already laid out.

True, Valve stand on the shoulders of giants, like we all do, whatever we do. What I find most important is: They let others stand on their backs too. Aside from their client, everything they did is freely usable by competitors or the public, a lot of it is even open source. They truely seem to live openness (yes, maybe mainly because that serves their cause, but hey..). What else could we want?

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Quoting: MVinhasThree weeks ago I was worried about the future of Linux gaming, right after the Football Manager 2019 annoucement, and then this happened.

With all the pace on this developments, I start to believe that Football Manager 2019 will run even better than Football Manager 2018 on Linux!

One of my first thoughts (after just staring at the screen for minutes) was: Hahaa Football Manager is back on the plate. :)

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I just found out the closed beta of Insomnia: The Ark runs on Proton. I never touched it until now, because it's Windows only and I didn't wanna spoil my key..
Stellar Tactics (early access Windows only - dev thinks about Vulkan for Linux and Mac) runs on Proton too.

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