Quoting: 14I quite disagree. That is as close to saying "get out if you disagree; you must go elsewhere and either speak in an echo chamber or a forum where only certain types of people congregate," yet anyone who supports the topic is allowed a voice EVERYWHERE it is mentioned.

Well, this topic is a tough one to moderate, honestly. But (I think) we're generally very light-handed on the GOL team. Here's the entries from the rules section which apply most:

- Politics is important, it affects everything and everyone. However, be mindful of what you talk about and spread. If it is likely to cause arguments, don't post it. Most of the time, political chat isn't really needed here. Obviously if we cover something political, that is inviting respectable debate keeping all the other rules in mind.

- Think "Would I say this in public to people I've never met before?" if the answer is no, think about it.

- Try to remain polite and do not attack others. Using hostile language towards others, and name calling are absolutely not needed. Doing so will result in warnings or bans without a warning if it's especially offensive without a damn good reason.

- Any form of hate speech or discriminatory speech is not allowed. That includes racism, sexism, being toxic on gender topics and so on. We're an inclusive community, remember that. Be nice, get along.

That guides me when I consider if I need to edit or delete a comment. Now, I support reproductive rights for women, so the question is almost whether I consider opposing views to be hate speech.

14, you seem to be against reproductive rights. I have no idea why that might be, but just stating your position isn't going to fall into the "hate speech" category. I'm not neutral on this subject, obviously, but bear in mind that in the other thread on this subject, we moderated both sides of the argument, and mostly those who fell on my side of the camp, simply because it's hard to "argue" about this stuff without frustration and anger leading to name calling.

So in summary, moderation is hard, but I think we mostly get it right.

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Quoting: hking0036I wouldn't be too quick to fanboy over this -- it took a lot of doing to get valve to do this update

I think the point is that the game is nearly 15 years old! Although it's also regularly in the top-ten most played games on Steam, so keeping it alive is in Valve's best interests, and you're right... it took a LOT of pushing/complaining to get them to address the bot problem.

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Haha - just went to buy this, only to see that it's not out for another few months. Dammit! I hope I still have the bug for this on the run up to Christmas, I guess. It looks great. I need to check out their earlier game too - the graphics look pretty basic, but the mechanics of it all sound really interesting.

Also, good grief, Vampire Survivors has a lot to answer for:

• 20 Minutes Till Dawn is like Vampire Survivors with guns — goodbye free time


• Grim Horde is chaotic and there's a good game hiding in there


• Nomad Survival is another great cheap Vampire Survivors styled game


• Halftime Heroes is basically a 3D Vampire Survivors


• Uh oh, Gunlocked is like Vampire Survivors in space and just as absorbing

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Quoting: TodC

Quoting: scaineAs for library changes breaking, I'd suggest changing distro - I also had lots of weird stuff on Manjaro, to the point it barely lasted a fortnight on my PC before I moved on.

Interesting. I've had no issues with Manjaro 21.3 (knock wood). Been through 3-4 waves of updates with it, and Steam and Lutris were stable all through it.

Loads of people have great experiences with Manjaro. No idea what made me special, but I managed to run into several issues and eventually I gave up on it. It must be doing something right for so many people to use it!

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Makes sense, Grogan, thanks for explaining.

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Quoting: Salvatos

Quoting: scaineEveryone who has access to this site... they're all (myself included) so unbelievably privileged, we have no right to voice our opinions on this subject. We lack the context and (hopefully) life experience of being able to contribute to this "debate".

Only people without Internet access can have opinions on abortion or politics?

Ah, is that what I said? Not really, but you're right, it was poorly worded. I was suggesting that this law change will affect the least privileged people. Those with no recourse. People so far from our existence that it's crass to have strong views about "what it must be like" to have this change forced.upon them.

Hopefully that's a clearer explanation of what I was trying to say.

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Quoting: SalvatosAnd just like that, another debate is aborted without consideration for its potential because someone didn't feel like carrying it on :cry:

Debate?? This is just people spewing opinion. No-one is going to change minds on this stuff. Not only isn't this place to do it, I know that words won't change people's blinkered opinions on this stuff.

I mean, half the replies I started reading, thought "christ on a stick", skimmed the rest for personal attacks, then tried to forget. Everyone who has access to this site... they're all (myself included) so unbelievably privileged, we have no right to voice our opinions on this subject. We lack the context and (hopefully) life experience of being able to contribute to this "debate".

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Quoting: GroganSorry, but that Chrome UI is bloated rubbish. I can't stand it. You think that's light weight?

It's also fragile in that it gets broken due to library changes. Steam bundles libraries that have to interface with your system. APIs change, Chrome UI breaks.

Yes, I have had it happen. A recent example was harfbuzz/freetype and it broke the user interface.

Bloated how? Rubbish how? No, it's definitely not lightweight - not sure that comment was aimed at me, but I never said it was lightweight. Indeed, I agreed it's a kludgey interface. It's a long-way from a perfect user experience, for sure.

As for library changes breaking, I'd suggest changing distro - I also had lots of weird stuff on Manjaro, to the point it barely lasted a fortnight on my PC before I moved on.

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Happy Birthday GOL! Lucky 13. Here's to another baker's dozen!

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Quoting: GroganSteam is really an awful program on Linux. It should get a complete rewrite instead of the cobbled together kludge that it is.

All its gyrations and spinning wheels on startup, culminates in an absolutely sickening, bloated, fragile, chrome browser-based UI.

I'm not sure having the source code to the client would help you :-)

I don't think anyone could argue that it's not "cobbled together kludge", but I don't see what you mean by "bloated" or "fragile". I can't think of many features it offers that I don't use (pretty much the reason I'm a Steam-focused gamer), and it's never crashed on me in coming up 9 years of every day gaming, so I'm not seeing "fragile" at all.

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